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I haven't been following this thread, as I have never heard of Hudson Bay. It seems you've moved past that, so I'll throw in my 2 cents worth. 🤣 👍 ⭐ Yes! 👍 😂That's funny. I have a tub that would fit. . My advice is ALWAYS the same. A good dealer is more important by far than a good deal. We just had a thread from a guy with a nearly new tub who can't get the dealer to call him back about an led issue. He's about to VOID HIS WARRANTY by fixing it himself, and came here for advice. I advised an attorney, among other things... So shop dealers, not spas. A good dealer won't sell crap spas anyway.

How old is the spa (a serial number can be decoded to determine age). Is this the flashing light on the front logo? If so that should mean high limit sensor has tripped (test water temperature - is it over 108F or is it colder than set temp?). Also since I know the guys are gonna ask, take some photos of the wiring diagram and the control board, etc. If you see any scorch/burn marks around anything try to get a closeup photo and post them here.

Thanks CanadianSpaTech !, the GFCI wiring was the problem. Once I corrected the neutral wire and reinstalled the control unit it fired right up. Now I have discovered every single control valve is shot....used tubs, gotta luv'em !

Thanks, I'll need to correct the wiing, as mine is not wired that way. Will test it out and report back.

I've had a 15-foot non-inflatable above-ground pool for 21 years now. Mine came with a real pump and real sand filter. I've had the liner replaced twice in that span, once by the original installer and then in April with the help of my daughter. No, I only brush or vacuum it every few weeks. Vacuuming such a small pool takes under 15 minutes. I use a floater/chlorine dispenser. I superchlorinate every few weeks, or use monopersulfate shock.

Turn the face of the jet. It might be in the closed position.

I am not familiar with that brand of cover, but few things stand up to ozone for long. Older tubs weren't properly plumbed for it, and it was an issue for all brands with ozone. If your spa has this issue I would recommend installing an aftermarket ozone mixing chamber or unplugging the ozonator. However, ozonators have a fairly short lifespan (3-5 years is typical) so, unless you have replaced it recently it probably doesn't work anyway. You can get a discoloration just from the bubbles (which are just air with no ozonator) agitating the water and releasing chemical fumes 24/7. But you can't blame the ozone for the vinyl, that was lack of maintenance and a hail storm, or even big raindrops. Vinyl gets brittle in sunlight and must be treated periodically with 303 aerospace protectant to remain flexible.

Frankly, pool builders spend weeks or more doing totally unrelated work for every day they spend plumbing in equipment. I used to work for a pool builder, in the service department, and I couldn't believe some of the crap they did. I mentioned it to the owner and offered to teach the build crew a few things. He said "You think you can do better?". I said "I know I can". So he started sending me to plumb the pads. The build crew was VERY happy with that, as they spent most of their time driving excavators and such, and had little know-how and less interest in plumbing. Honestly, I kind of enjoyed it. It's like a jigsaw puzzle, as opposed to my usual day of crossword puzzles, if that makes sense to anybody but @Pool Clown .

It was definitely an experience. Pretty cool how they make 3ft high surfing waves in a football field sized pool. But you didn't want to be in that room when it was running.

Coast Spa not Costal. https://www.coastspas.com/manuals.php 2001... https://blackpinespas.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/Coast Spas/2001 Manuals/Coast Spas 2001 Owners Manual.pdf If you want technical manuals post photos of spa pack circuit board and topside. Really not a lot of useful information in most owners manuals.

YOU WIN!!!!! (Even though the 60k was just one pool at the facility. There was also a 55K 'family pool' -swim diaper leak and fecal shutdown almost daily, 2 1K hot tubs with cart filters in pits, and a 1K kids 'splash area' with deck jets, overhead water features, and deck drains to an underground water tank, also with a cart in a pit! A haven for fecal closedowns ! Even with all that you STILL win! ) 😎

Unfortunately, if it's a new order, months out is an understatement. However, that its the same no matter who's tub you buy unless it's a piece of junk or one that someone got tired of waiting on and was cancelled. My friends tub, which was originally scheduled for a July delivery has slipped to the end of October. It was part of a December 2020 stocking order from Artesian. Yup, there are trade off's but like you said, some of those features just are not worth it to some people. If they were, all tubs would have them.

There is nothing wrong with an Artesian manufactured tub. They are an excellent manufacturer and I'm absolutely loving mine and have no issues.

Jeez, I paid $8400 for my 110V Hotspring Highlife Jetsetter less than two years ago - that's a huge step up from the Hotspot line for only about 22% more in price I think Aquaterra sells some spas which fit that size constraint - they're also watkins spas

What @ratchettsaid! Hudson Bay is the low end line of Leisure Products Inc. Their current offerings are Hudson Bay, Dr. Wellness and Catalina. When I was researching, I initially thought that a Dr. Wellness was one of my top choices due to size, features and price. I quickly found out that they were a LPI product, which I had owned one about 25 years ago and had bad experiences with. I also found out that the dealer in my area wouldn't allow my to look at the equipment area which was a red flag, Why wouldn't the dealer let me look? Because I would have found a poorly insulated tub with sub standard plumbing, proprietary parts, thin shell and Proprietary parts. This dealer didn't service their tubs either, they contracted out to any Spa tech that would take the job. They are cheap for a reason. If you are on a budget and are willing to spend $3000-$5000 on a five year starter tub, then they are OK. You are much better off though, buying a top quality tub that will last 10-15 years or more, that are well insulated to mitigate heat loss, that are energy efficient with good warranty's from a reputable dealer as the dealer IS your lifeline. Good used tubs are out there, you just have to be diligent and quick to move on one. Remember. always see a used tub full and running.

TL/DR - No. HudsonBay spas is an LPI brand of spas. They are a terrible company who builds budget-grade spas using the cheapest components possible - since they are a mail-order product they are also constructed with essentially zero insulation to reduce manufacturing and shipping costs. When bought new (from sites like HomeDepot) they are extremely overpriced for what you're getting. LPI is a terrible company, they sell the same products under multiple brand names to obfuscate the customer making it harder for you to read all the negative reviews on the company. If you visit Hudsonbay's website, you'll notice they never once mention "LPI Inc" on their site. That's intentional. Head over to LPI's website and you'll see a list of their brands, and I'll be honest - they're all terrible low-grade products - https://lpiinc.com/shops/ (Note for anyone curious - Catalina spas WAS A good brand name in the 90's until LPI acquired the brand in 2016) That's because everything you're seeing has already been picked over by the pros and other desperate people shopping for a hottub. Keep in mind professionals are also buying used tubs off the classifieds to flip/resell if there's a good enough profit in the deal for them. If you want to find the best deals on used hottubs, you need to watch the listings daily and sort only by recently-added. The BEST used spa deals sell in literally less than 24-48 hours, so you'll never see those listings (sellers take down the listing because they TOO many hits). The trick is to watch for newly listed spas which you can see filled with water and working. Then look up the brand and product line to figure out what tier/class it's in (most big name brands build multiple product tiers to fit every budget - sometimes these are bells/whistle changes, other times they are improvements under the hood to increase product lifespan - when buying used I'd personally be looking mostly at the flagship top-tiers from any brand to ensure you get the longest lifespan). Also note - warranties do not transfer on used spas so don't pay 85%+ of retail pricing for a 10 month old spa! All that said - hottubs require routine maintenance for proper operation. Many people can't even maintain the filters in their vacuum cleaners, let alone water chemistry in a hottub. For some, a hottub is an impulse purchase without realizing everything involved, soon enough they get bored and sell the spa to try and recoup some of their money back. I see amazing deals pop up all the time in the classifieds (at least a few times a month, and I'm in a warm subtropical climate where there aren't too many spa owners!). I have no doubt if you keep watching the market you'll find a nice spa from a name brand in your budget ($1k to $3k will definitely find you quality working hottub). Just be ready to buy when you find what you're looking for because like I said - you're competing with professionals who do this for a living.