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#1 tcbc

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 05:26 AM

I have been looking at spas for a while now and I have narrowed my choices to 2 units, both locally sold and serviced. Both units are new 2006 models. The first is a Jacuzzi J-385 for $8620 and the second is a Sundance Altamar for $8940. I have been told Jacuzzi is the sister company to Sundance so both tubs would seem to be similar in quality. The Jacuzzi is a bigger tub with a few more bells and whistles. I think the customer service would be a little better with the Sundance and it is loaded with options as well. Both models are out the door prices and include stereos w/ floating remotes, steps, covers, start up chemicals and delivery and setup. Any help or comments would be appreciated.

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 06:39 AM

Both decent tubs, test soak and get the one you like best.

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 11:44 AM

Are the Jacuzzi spas full foam??? Do they still have the J-385? or was it discontinued for 2007?

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 12:11 PM

I looked at the jacuzzi line when I was shopping and I really liked the 480 and the 385...I had pretty much settled on the 480 out of the Vita Rendezous, Caldera..(forget the model). For some reason I liked how the back with the waterfalls was higher...just liked the look of it. Wet tested it and felt it was just as good as the Rendezous for a lot less money. The only issue was they didnt have my color choice and when I asked how much cheaper it would be if I order a tub "without" the stereo she told me it was the same price as the one she had on the floor that did have a stereo. Wasnt sure how a item that jacks the price up 1200 to 1500 dollars wouldnt have an affect on the bottom line price if it wasnt included in the package...that pretty much killed the deal for me.
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Posted 16 March 2007 - 12:30 PM

I looked at the jacuzzi line when I was shopping and I really liked the 480 and the 385...I had pretty much settled on the 480 out the Vita Rendezous, Caldera..(forget the model). For some reason I liked how the back with the waterfalls was higher...just liked the look of it. Wet tested it and felt it was just as good as the Rendezous for a lot less money. The only issue was they didnt have my color choice and when I asked how much cheaper it would be if I order a tub "without" the stereo she told me it was the same price as the one she had on the floor that did have a stereo. Wasnt sure how a item that jacks the price up 1200 to 1500 dollars wouldnt have an affect on the bottom line price if it wasnt included in the package...that pretty much killed the deal for me.


They had to sell the floor model, they had money out on that one biggrin.gif

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 12:54 PM

Are the Jacuzzi spas full foam??? Do they still have the J-385? or was it discontinued for 2007?

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Sorry 104 but what does the insulation skeem have to do with the question, just curious.

I like them both, see which one fits your wifes butt better when it's got water in it.!
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Posted 16 March 2007 - 01:17 PM

I like them both, see which one fits your wifes butt better when it's got water in it.!


I might have reworded that unless you're aware of how often she gets hot water in her butt. biggrin.gif

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 01:21 PM

Sorry 104 but what does the insulation skeem have to do with the question, just curious.

I like them both, see which one fits your wifes butt better when it's got water in it.!



Its no where on there site about insulation. i'm trying to see who is full and who is not. i could care what one or both you like. if you dont have an answer to the quetion keep quiet.

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 01:34 PM

I might have reworded that. biggrin.gif


I'm not sure on the insulation 104. I have not yet seen the J-385, he is bringing it in. It is a leftover 2006 and the model has been discontinued for 2007. One concern I had was the operating costs of the Jacuzzi vs the Sundance. The Jacuzzi seems to be semi outdated when compared to the Sundance

I'm not sure on the insulation 104. I have not yet seen the J-385, he is bringing it in. It is a leftover 2006 and the model has been discontinued for 2007. One concern I had was the operating costs of the Jacuzzi vs the Sundance. The Jacuzzi seems to be semi outdated when compared to the Sundance



BTW, biggrin.gif biggrin.gif My wife's butt will fit in any very well!!

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 01:46 PM

I'm not sure on the insulation 104. I have not yet seen the J-385, he is bringing it in. It is a leftover 2006 and the model has been discontinued for 2007. One concern I had was the operating costs of the Jacuzzi vs the Sundance. The Jacuzzi seems to be semi outdated when compared to the Sundance
BTW, biggrin.gif biggrin.gif My wife's butt will fit in any very well!!



Thank you biggrin.gif can you please let us know what you find on the j-380

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 02:01 PM

Thank you biggrin.gif can you please let us know what you find on the j-380



You can do a google search and just about find anything you want out about any hottub..

Insulation Full foam on the 480..

Jacuzzi 480 specs

Another website Jacuzzi tubs that says full foam

Its no where on there site about insulation. i'm trying to see who is full and who is not. i could care what one or both you like. if you dont have an answer to the quetion keep quiet.


Kinda rude?
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Posted 16 March 2007 - 02:23 PM

You can do a google search and just about find anything you want out about any hottub..

Insulation Full foam on the 480..

Jacuzzi 480 specs

Another website Jacuzzi tubs that says full foam
Kinda rude?



Sure. Now tell us about the j-380
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Posted 16 March 2007 - 02:51 PM

Sure. Now tell us about the j-380


Us, or you? I personally dont care if its full foam or not. How hard is it to call their number on the website...or email them directly. Are you looking for a full foam?

Actually since I was bored I called them for you...YES it is full foam, the 385 that is!!
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Posted 16 March 2007 - 02:57 PM

Us, or you? I personally dont care if its full foam or not. How hard is it to call their number on the website...or email them directly. Are you looking for a full foam?



Why do you care? are you selling them
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Posted 16 March 2007 - 03:03 PM

Why do you care? are you selling them



Once again I personally dont care...but I see you ask that question in a few threads....since this is an open forum I responded to your post...

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Posted 17 March 2007 - 03:39 PM

I looked at the same two spas. Actually, I looked at what seems like hundreds of spas at a recent homeshow, and we decided on the Altamar. We liked some of the features of the Jacuzzi; like the LBI lights (Low beverage indicatators) but it really came down to fit, and the Sundance fit my wife and I perfectly. We've had the spa for two weeks now, and we absolutely love it. Bought the Altamar with the mahoghany finish. It looks stunning, and it is extremely comfortable. Service from our local Sundance dealer couldn't be any better. The whole process was smooth. We purchased the floor model from the homeshow, and wet tested the same model a few days later just to make sure it was the right fit. The dealership was extremely accomodating and would have refunded our purchase price if we had decided that we didn't want it. Jacuzzi purchased Sundance, and they are similar in many ways. We paid $7995 for ours with the Coverlift III, chemicals, Microfilter, Silveroxide "Spa Frog" and Ozonator. They threw in a spa pillow, which is helpful for my 5 year old, and some really nice Sundance robes. This was AFTER the sale. We didn't get it with a stereo because it wasn't important to us. We preffer silence and conversation while soaking. To each his own. I can't say enough good things about both the experience and the tub itself. We've been soaking happily and hope to for many years. Go with either one and you'll be happy. If you're on the fence between both spas, pick the better of the two dealers for your deciding factor. Hope this helps!

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Posted 17 March 2007 - 03:56 PM


I agree with this...it comes down to fit...it's all about the fit and the service.We looked at both Jacuzzi and Sundance and went with the Sundance for a couple of reasons. The service from the Sundance dealer is stellar in this area and so far that has been true to form. We LOVE the Sundance and we LOVE the dealer and the one thing that was most important was the FIT. I am short and felt so lost in the Jacuzzi..The dealer said to me "no problem, we can sell you a booster seat"...I'm not kidding, she was dead serious. Well, I wasn't going to invest in this kind of money and have to buy a booster seat and a snorkle as well.
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I looked at the same two spas. Actually, I looked at what seems like hundreds of spas at a recent homeshow, and we decided on the Altamar. We liked some of the features of the Jacuzzi; like the LBI lights (Low beverage indicatators) but it really came down to fit, and the Sundance fit my wife and I perfectly. We've had the spa for two weeks now, and we absolutely love it. Bought the Altamar with the mahoghany finish. It looks stunning, and it is extremely comfortable. Service from our local Sundance dealer couldn't be any better. The whole process was smooth. We purchased the floor model from the homeshow, and wet tested the same model a few days later just to make sure it was the right fit. The dealership was extremely accomodating and would have refunded our purchase price if we had decided that we didn't want it. Jacuzzi purchased Sundance, and they are similar in many ways. We paid $7995 for ours with the Coverlift III, chemicals, Microfilter, Silveroxide "Spa Frog" and Ozonator. They threw in a spa pillow, which is helpful for my 5 year old, and some really nice Sundance robes. This was AFTER the sale. We didn't get it with a stereo because it wasn't important to us. We preffer silence and conversation while soaking. To each his own. I can't say enough good things about both the experience and the tub itself. We've been soaking happily and hope to for many years. Go with either one and you'll be happy. If you're on the fence between both spas, pick the better of the two dealers for your deciding factor. Hope this helps!



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Posted 17 March 2007 - 06:00 PM

I agree with this...it comes down to fit...it's all about the fit and the service.We looked at both Jacuzzi and Sundance and went with the Sundance for a couple of reasons. The service from the Sundance dealer is stellar in this area and so far that has been true to form. We LOVE the Sundance and we LOVE the dealer and the one thing that was most important was the FIT. I am short and felt so lost in the Jacuzzi..The dealer said to me "no problem, we can sell you a booster seat"...I'm not kidding, she was dead serious. Well, I wasn't going to invest in this kind of money and have to buy a booster seat and a snorkle as well.
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Thank you both so much for the info! My wife and I had pretty much settled on the Sundance and you guys have helped us confirm that decision. Our dealer has been here in this town for over 40 years and is here to stay. The Sundance is a very impressive tub. I think we will be happy with our choice.

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Posted 18 March 2007 - 03:38 AM

I looked at the same two spas. Actually, I looked at what seems like hundreds of spas at a recent homeshow, and we decided on the Altamar. We liked some of the features of the Jacuzzi; like the LBI lights (Low beverage indicatators) but it really came down to fit, and the Sundance fit my wife and I perfectly. We've had the spa for two weeks now, and we absolutely love it. Bought the Altamar with the mahoghany finish. It looks stunning, and it is extremely comfortable. Service from our local Sundance dealer couldn't be any better. The whole process was smooth. We purchased the floor model from the homeshow, and wet tested the same model a few days later just to make sure it was the right fit. The dealership was extremely accomodating and would have refunded our purchase price if we had decided that we didn't want it. Jacuzzi purchased Sundance, and they are similar in many ways. We paid $7995 for ours with the Coverlift III, chemicals, Microfilter, Silveroxide "Spa Frog" and Ozonator. They threw in a spa pillow, which is helpful for my 5 year old, and some really nice Sundance robes. This was AFTER the sale. We didn't get it with a stereo because it wasn't important to us. We preffer silence and conversation while soaking. To each his own. I can't say enough good things about both the experience and the tub itself. We've been soaking happily and hope to for many years. Go with either one and you'll be happy. If you're on the fence between both spas, pick the better of the two dealers for your deciding factor. Hope this helps!



This is GREAT!! This is the tub i picked out to look at. It looks like a nice tub. Thanks for the info.

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Posted 28 June 2007 - 09:09 AM

QUOTE(spjordan @ Mar 17 2007, 05:39 PM) View Post
I looked at the same two spas. Actually, I looked at what seems like hundreds of spas at a recent homeshow, and we decided on the Altamar. We liked some of the features of the Jacuzzi; like the LBI lights (Low beverage indicatators) but it really came down to fit, and the Sundance fit my wife and I perfectly. We've had the spa for two weeks now, and we absolutely love it. Bought the Altamar with the mahoghany finish. It looks stunning, and it is extremely comfortable. Service from our local Sundance dealer couldn't be any better. The whole process was smooth. We purchased the floor model from the homeshow, and wet tested the same model a few days later just to make sure it was the right fit. The dealership was extremely accomodating and would have refunded our purchase price if we had decided that we didn't want it. Jacuzzi purchased Sundance, and they are similar in many ways. We paid $7995 for ours with the Coverlift III, chemicals, Microfilter, Silveroxide "Spa Frog" and Ozonator. They threw in a spa pillow, which is helpful for my 5 year old, and some really nice Sundance robes. This was AFTER the sale. We didn't get it with a stereo because it wasn't important to us. We preffer silence and conversation while soaking. To each his own. I can't say enough good things about both the experience and the tub itself. We've been soaking happily and hope to for many years. Go with either one and you'll be happy. If you're on the fence between both spas, pick the better of the two dealers for your deciding factor. Hope this helps!



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Posted 28 June 2007 - 09:18 AM

Sundance states their filtration system is superior to Juczzi. Does anybody know if the filtration system in a Sundance tub is superior to all others? My dealer states you will only have to empty your tub every 6 to 9 mts. and change your filater every 6 to 9 mts. and that with slip stream filtration the water would be drinkable. The filter is horizontal and all other tubs it is vertical, does this make a difference?
Jacuzzi and Sundance are made at the same factory. Is Sundance and superior model of Jacuzzi or vice versa?
I haven't bought yet but there is about a $2500.00 difference between Sundance Altamar and Jacuzzi J355. Is it worth the difference? My husband is stuck on the superior filtration and jets are they?


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Posted 28 June 2007 - 09:30 AM

QUOTE(som @ Jun 28 2007, 01:18 PM) View Post
Sundance states their filtration system is superior to Juczzi. Does anybody know if the filtration system in a Sundance tub is superior to all others? My dealer states you will only have to empty your tub every 6 to 9 mts. and change your filater every 6 to 9 mts. and that with slip stream filtration the water would be drinkable. The filter is horizontal and all other tubs it is vertical, does this make a difference?
Jacuzzi and Sundance are made at the same factory. Is Sundance and superior model of Jacuzzi or vice versa?
I haven't bought yet but there is about a $2500.00 difference between Sundance Altamar and Jacuzzi J355. Is it worth the difference? My husband is stuck on the superior filtration and jets are they?


I think this is a case of comparing apples to oranges.

The 300 series Jacuzzi is on the same level of quality and features as the 700 Series Sundance. This would be the main reason for your price difference.

I would either look at the 460 Jacuzzi to bring it on line with the price of the Altamar or take a look at the Sundance Certa to make a comparison to the Jacuzzi 355.

BTW, I think the Sundance filtration is better than Jacuzzi's.

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Posted 30 June 2007 - 08:09 AM

QUOTE(som @ Jun 28 2007, 09:18 AM) View Post
Sundance states their filtration system is superior to Juczzi. Does anybody know if the filtration system in a Sundance tub is superior to all others? My dealer states you will only have to empty your tub every 6 to 9 mts. and change your filater every 6 to 9 mts. and that with slip stream filtration the water would be drinkable. The filter is horizontal and all other tubs it is vertical, does this make a difference?
Jacuzzi and Sundance are made at the same factory. Is Sundance and superior model of Jacuzzi or vice versa?
I haven't bought yet but there is about a $2500.00 difference between Sundance Altamar and Jacuzzi J355. Is it worth the difference? My husband is stuck on the superior filtration and jets are they?



you should drain and fill your hot tub every 3 months your TDS (total dissolved solids) levels should never go above 2000ppm it takes way more Chemicals to sanitize it properly, it is true any tub can go 6-7 months between draining but it's going to cost you way more money in chemicals..

Sundance is owned by Jacuzzi and in my opinion Sundance is a way better tub.


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Posted 01 July 2007 - 10:30 PM

QUOTE(som @ Jun 28 2007, 09:18 AM) View Post
Sundance states their filtration system is superior to Juczzi. Does anybody know if the filtration system in a Sundance tub is superior to all others? My dealer states you will only have to empty your tub every 6 to 9 mts. and change your filater every 6 to 9 mts. and that with slip stream filtration the water would be drinkable. The filter is horizontal and all other tubs it is vertical, does this make a difference?
Jacuzzi and Sundance are made at the same factory. Is Sundance and superior model of Jacuzzi or vice versa?
I haven't bought yet but there is about a $2500.00 difference between Sundance Altamar and Jacuzzi J355. Is it worth the difference? My husband is stuck on the superior filtration and jets are they?


If I were you, I would go look at Costco, because they have a lot more spa better made for about $4k less. Go look rolleyes.gif and don't believe all that sales nonsense. Sundance and Jacuzzi are not going to make it. They were almost bankrupt and sold out to a "management" company for about 1/3 of their value from 2000. They have shown continual losses for the last five years. I would not spend any money on a company that uses "exclusive" parts and is in that much financial trouble. Where are you going to find parts for them?
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Posted 02 July 2007 - 09:28 AM

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Sundance and Jacuzzi are not going to make it. They were almost bankrupt and sold out to a "management" company for about 1/3 of their value from 2000. They have shown continual losses for the last five years. I would not spend any money on a company that uses "exclusive" parts and is in that much financial trouble. Where are you going to find parts for them?
Please tell me where you got this misinformation. The SEC filing from September 2006 shows a profit of $40,400,000($0.52/share), 2005 a loss of $5,600,000 ($0.07/share), 2004 a profit of $28,400,000($0.37/share), 2003 a loss of $29,000,000 ($0.29/share), and 2002 a profit of $40,900,000 ($0.40/share). As for being almost bankrupt before they were acquired by Apollo Management. The year ending September 30, 2006:
Cash and cash equivalents: $147.2
Working capital: $351.7
Total assets: $1253.7
Total debt: $403.3
Stockholders' equity: $345.5

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Posted 02 July 2007 - 12:23 PM

It seems more and more clear that Jims goal is to spread misinformation and tout it as a factual statement. I still don't understand why somebody with nothing helpful or positive to post is still allowed to post.

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Posted 02 July 2007 - 01:42 PM

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It seems more and more clear that Jims goal is to spread misinformation and tout it as a factual statement. I still don't understand why somebody with nothing helpful or positive to post is still allowed to post.



Somebody has to speak the truth and let people know what is going on. Do you really want to on a cheaply made product with a company in that much trouble that they can't keep dealers. The nearest Sundance dealer to me, in Metro Denver is 42 miles. It used to be less than than a short car ride.

They make junk and it is an insult to the spa industry. Go look at Costco, and tell me you don't see a better value?
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This is what is happening. It is as obvious as obvious can get.

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Posted 02 July 2007 - 03:45 PM

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Somebody has to speak the truth and let people know what is going on.
Then please explain to me your statements about 5 years of Jacuzzi /Sundance posting a loss and being almost bankrupt when they were being acquired. Apollo Management sure thought they were worth 1.25 billion when they acquired them.
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Do you really want to on a cheaply made product with a company in that much trouble that they can't keep dealers. The nearest Sundance dealer to me, in Metro Denver is 42 miles. It used to be less than than a short car ride.
So the dealer near you closed and you generalize that to the whole world? A quick search showed a dealer about 24 miles away from downtown Denver. The closest dealer to me is 6.7 miles. What does that prove? Absolutly nothing. How many dealers have dropped the Sundance line? Give me some numbers. What trouble are they in? They have seemed to make 75.1 million dollars in the past five years when you said they had been loosing money for the last five years.

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Most large Corporations have two sets of books, one goes to the government and the other to the stockholders.
Are you implying that most large corporations are breaking the law and the whole stockmarket is based on made up performance numbers? Has Jacuzzi Brands filed inaccurate information with the SEC? Please show us the proof. If you have proof there would be a major lawsuit from the stock holders and legal action from the SEC. Apollo Management, L.P. went through the books with a fine-tooth comb before closing the deal. I'm sure they found nothing wrong with the books or the deal would have not gone through.

Let's also look at the stock price for the last five years before the were acquired. It seems some people thought they were a good investment.

This "managment" group, Apollo Management L.P., is a private equity L.P. firm with major holdings including GE Advanced Materials, Harrah's Entertainment Inc., Smart & Final Inc., Linens 'n Things, AMC Entertainment, ... I think they know what they are doing when they invest in a company.

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Posted 03 July 2007 - 05:32 AM

Egbert,

Jim also made similliar claims about Hotsprings cooking thier books, and 4 years ago predicted Artesian would be "out of business in less than one year". The other day in addition to Jacuizzi, Jim claims Sundance is bankrupt. Well time wounds all heels and the only person who stopped making spas is James Arjuna, who we know has made statements the he's going under.
(and then lied to us about it). And now?.... flat broke.



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Posted 03 July 2007 - 05:30 PM

QUOTE(egbert @ Jul 2 2007, 07:45 PM) View Post
QUOTE(Jim_The_Jim @ Jul 2 2007, 02:42 PM) View Post
Somebody has to speak the truth and let people know what is going on.
Then please explain to me your statements about 5 years of Jacuzzi /Sundance posting a loss and being almost bankrupt when they were being acquired. Apollo Management sure thought they were worth 1.25 billion when they acquired them.
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Do you really want to on a cheaply made product with a company in that much trouble that they can't keep dealers. The nearest Sundance dealer to me, in Metro Denver is 42 miles. It used to be less than than a short car ride.
So the dealer near you closed and you generalize that to the whole world? A quick search showed a dealer about 24 miles away from downtown Denver. The closest dealer to me is 6.7 miles. What does that prove? Absolutly nothing. How many dealers have dropped the Sundance line? Give me some numbers. What trouble are they in? They have seemed to make 75.1 million dollars in the past five years when you said they had been loosing money for the last five years.

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Most large Corporations have two sets of books, one goes to the government and the other to the stockholders.
Are you implying that most large corporations are breaking the law and the whole stockmarket is based on made up performance numbers? Has Jacuzzi Brands filed inaccurate information with the SEC? Please show us the proof. If you have proof there would be a major lawsuit from the stock holders and legal action from the SEC. Apollo Management, L.P. went through the books with a fine-tooth comb before closing the deal. I'm sure they found nothing wrong with the books or the deal would have not gone through.

Let's also look at the stock price for the last five years before the were acquired. It seems some people thought they were a good investment.

This "managment" group, Apollo Management L.P., is a private equity L.P. firm with major holdings including GE Advanced Materials, Harrah's Entertainment Inc., Smart & Final Inc., Linens 'n Things, AMC Entertainment, ... I think they know what they are doing when they invest in a company.


Claims based on fact don't faze Jim in the least.

I actually did a little research based on his claims. I looked at a Costco spa here in Canada, I'm not sure if they're the same you have in the states, and I can see why there is a market for them. There will always be a market for a bargain shopper and that's great. However, I also looked at several other spas from companies that make "crap", i.e. Hotspring, Jacuzzi, Sundance, etc. and even stopped into my local Arctic dealer.

Problem number 1) When I bought my spa I wet tested about 7 models before deciding on the Sundance. They all worked well but I will say the remote with the stereo in the hotspring was confusing to say the least, the tub itself was great. They ALL seemed to be great quality, and they had models there with all the side panels off so I could check the insides. The shell on the Sundance should hold up well to anything, I even got in and jumped, and I weigh 250 lbs. Costco however... I was alone, unable to test it, the controls felt cheap and flimsy, and when I asked to look inside, they said no.

Number 2) The costco spa was obviously offering no dealer support whatsoever. Since our spa was delivered our dealer stopped by twice. Once to add an ozone system and interface so the jets would be controllable from the remote. A second time to just check and see how we liked it. He also ordered us two new side panels as ours were scratched at some point in transit. I'm more than pleased with the service we're getting. If my spa from costco were scratched it would definitely be more of a hassle.

However, to each his own! The costco spa came in at about 6000 less than our Sundance Maxxus. However when you throw in the extras we recieved for free plus the fact that our dealer picked up our old spa and gave us 2000 for it, it was REALLY a no brainer.

I also did a little research based on claims of their financial hardships, and found reports similar to what Egbert posted earlier. If they are going through such a difficult time why are all financial reports indicating otherwise?




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