mach 10 Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 I have three flashing lights on my display and a hot tub, which is it an Adirondack spa 2006. I took all the Jets apart on the inside as I filled up with water stuck the hose in the filter port and let the hot tub fill up. Temperature came to 102 degrees as set. pump with cycle on and off for about 20 seconds on low speed to circulate.I noticed in one of the seats there are nine Jets and two of them were not pushing water through. I poured 6 gallons of distilled vinegar and 3 tablespoons of dawn liquid soap through the filter sports. I let it run for 24 hours and it cleaned out some biofilm. Tub is clean jets are clean but there is still the two that are not working. Possibly they may be locked. I don't think that is enough to cause pump issues for low-flow. When I press the high low button for the pumps and I hear the high pump relay clicks but does not go to high pressure. The heater is brand new and the pump is brand new. Now here's the kicker, when I drained the hot tub I left it on and it was still cycling on and off with the low speed pump and as the water level got below the intakes of the filter the high speed checked on. Why,? So I thought great I drained the tub completely as the high-speed was still working and I also filled the filter intake with my garden hose to supply the pump with water to clean out all the Jets with the distilled vinegar. After cleaning that I filled the hot tub back up again. Three flashing lights still flashing and temperature came to 102 degrees again and I push the jet button, again nothing works no low pressure or high pressure pump kicks on. Is cycles on its own every two minutes. Any suggestions before my sawzall comes out of the shed,? Also on the heating there is a pressure switch which is replaced. I adjusted it so the heat woodtick on. Maybe that is the issue but I don't know how would you what adjust it to know the correct setting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDspaguy Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 @CanadianSpaTech, another ge ko for you buddy. You mention (rather offhandedly) that this and that are new. You say the relay clicks but pump doesn't go to high. Does it continue in low? Is it shutting off after 20 seconds? Has it worked properly since you replaced the pump? Please give a detailed description of what was replaced and how it behaved in the order it occurred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mach 10 Posted June 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 The pump is new, the heating unit is new, the pressure sensor on the heating unit is new. "Sold separately" from heating unit. The hot tub cycles on and off by itself I'm low speed. On the top keypad the heating temp buttons high and low both work. The light button for the light in the hot tub works, the jet button for high and low does not respond when the three red flashing lights are on. When the pump turns on low by itself I will push the jet button again to go to hijet pressure and the relay just clicks and remains at low pressure Jets. I found it odd that when I drained the hot tub below the filter intake , then the high and low Jets worked when I push the button. Totally different pump sound. And then proceeded to turn the high and low Jets cycling a few times to see if they worked which they did. The three flashing lights disappeared. As soon as I filled the hot tub again the three flashing lights reappeared. And a hot tub went back to turning on every 2 minutes for about 20 seconds as it's heating the water. When I press the jet button nothing happens the Jets do not respond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mach 10 Posted June 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 For the pressure switch on a heating element you can turn it clockwise or counterclockwise. Is there a standard setting that this should be at. Do I turn it clockwise until it stops and then turn it counterclockwise how many rotations to the desired set point. I'm wondering if this is an issue considering there was less water in the hot tub creating less head pressure where some sensor responded correctly and the Jets worked probably. I measured voltage across each heating element and measure 120 volts each leg. 220V coming in to board. I don't know if there is a flow sensor on this hot tub. It would be in the main compartment where the pump and spa Pack is and I do not see one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSpaTech Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 #1 Remove filters until the issue is fixed. # 2 Start at page 11... https://spacare.com/productimages/pdfmanuals/Gecko/SSPAServiceManual.pdf How to adjust the pressure switch page 62 If you still have questions after that let us know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDspaguy Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 1 hour ago, mach 10 said: hot tub went back to turning on every 2 minutes for about 20 seconds as it's heating the water. That sounds like a pump thermal cutoff. @CanadianSpaTech, you know gecko systems better than me, does that sound like normal behavior to you? 1 hour ago, mach 10 said: When the pump turns on low by itself I will push the jet button again to go to hijet pressure and the relay just clicks and remains at low pressure Jets. Sounds like a pump wiring issue. 1 hour ago, mach 10 said: found it odd that when I drained the hot tub below the filter intake , then the high and low Jets worked when I push the button. Totally different pump sound. And then proceeded to turn the high and low Jets cycling a few times to see if they worked which they did. What would low water level have to do with it? Nothing that I can think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSpaTech Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 Post a few photos of the circuit board so we can see how it's wired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mach 10 Posted June 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 Wiring top to bottom goes red 120V, blue is neutral, ground is black with green markers, and black 120V. The heating element in this picture is the old one, I replace it with a new one because the contacts were Rusty and corroded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDspaguy Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 Did the new pump come with the wire on it or did you wire it? Check to be sure it is wired correctly. That's a new heater? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSpaTech Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 Move white pump wire to P 18 Test incoming power on the right side holes of where the power attaches to the board and ensure you have correct power. You have some damage there just want to make sure it is consistent. Red to black should carry 240V Where the heater is bent like that the cold weld might be broken. Have to hold it with a 5/16" wrench when tightening the 3/8" nut it so it doesn't break. Very fragile Can't see the jumpers but make sure jumper one is covering the left and middle pins for High Current Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mach 10 Posted June 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 Tested red/black. 224V Jumpers are correct. Adjusted pressure switch I turn breaker back on and come kicks on heating element kicks on for 20 seconds , hear a relay click and pump shuts off heater shuts off. About two minutes later pump kicks on heater kicks on 20 seconds relay clicks pump shuts off heater shuts off. Three flashing lights . I added a new picture with the new heating element across the heating element terminals I get 238.4 volts. I noticed that when I was adjusting the pressure switch and decreasing counter-clockwise the red light on the board turned on and I noticed a surge of water through the heating element. I could hear it. Like when you open up a soda bottle and you hear that air Rush. What is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSpaTech Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 13 minutes ago, mach 10 said: What is that? @mach 10 That is the water in the tube super heating and boiling. There is no water movement through the tube so it is boiling the little bit that is in there Did you move the white wire to P18? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mach 10 Posted June 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 Pump is wired correctly. I get 244 volts across red and black wires. I get to 238.4 volts across heating unit. I adjusted the pressure switch as directed in the manual. Jumpers are correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSpaTech Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 Have you moved the white wire to P 18? I can't help you if you don't answer questions and let me know the results 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mach 10 Posted June 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 Move what white wire to p18 ? The neutral wire coming in from power? I tested the neutral wire to p 18 and got 120 volts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mach 10 Posted June 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 What I don't understand is when I drained my hot tub the water level went below the intake for the filters so there is no water going into the filters. both filters were removed prior to draining. I put my garden hose into the filter and take to provide the pump with water to flush out the lines and I went to press the hijet button and it worked! So I pushed the high low button for the Jets and it's cycled up and down with no problem. So this tells me there is a sensor issue of some sort ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSpaTech Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 White wire coming from the pump. See Pump 1 wiring instructions that tells you where each pump wire goes on the right hand side of the pack cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSpaTech Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 The cluster where the white wire is currently hooked is likely for 120V components like ozone. The P 18 is likely for 240V operation. Right now you have the pump white wire on P7 this is for 120V 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mach 10 Posted June 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 Wiring for pump is correct ? right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mach 10 Posted June 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 Wiring for pump is correct ? right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSpaTech Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 Last chance ...MOVE THE WHITE WIRE FROM P7 TO P18 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mach 10 Posted June 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 The white pump wire was on the wrong terminal! It works now! 👍 I had a spa technician " my son's friend " "who works at a local pool store look at it. He was touching wires and said I need a new spa Pack. Wait until I see him again. I owe you a beer! Thank you so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDspaguy Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 Which one, exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSpaTech Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 20 minutes ago, mach 10 said: The white pump wire was on the wrong terminal! It works now! 👍 YEP! 20 minutes ago, mach 10 said: I owe you a beer! A beer would be great a donation to your local food bank would be better 5 minutes ago, RDspaguy said: Which one, exactly? Which one what...which wire? The white wire coming from the pump was in the wrong location and was set for 120V instead of 240V (was going to white AC instead of Red AC in Balboa terms...lol) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDspaguy Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 Just wanted to verify he didn't change the wiring at the pump. Sure is odd that he tested 240v at the pump, since it was wired 120v.🤪 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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