Joeybobby Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Here is a sketch of how my circulating pump and ozonator are plumbed.. They both seem useless to me.. What is your opinion? Thanks in advance for any replies...... My guess is to swap the ozonator line and the air line going into jet 1 to get the ozonator working during filtration. Also, I dont have pump 1 on the sketch but pump 1 turns on on low speed when it calls for filtering... The circ pump only runs when pump 1 is in its filtration mode... Pump 2 only comes on when I turn it on. Also, if I plug the jet that the circ pump is using while im in the hot tub when the circ pump isnt on it creates an air lock in pump 2. The jet sucks in water when pump 2 is on........ Im assuming by plugging it it is sucking in air...... Thanks in advance for any replies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Here is a sketch of how my circulating pump and ozonator are plumbed.. They both seem useless to me.. What is your opinion? Thanks in advance for any replies...... My guess is to swap the ozonator line and the air line going into jet 1 to get the ozonator working during filtration. Also, I dont have pump 1 on the sketch but pump 1 turns on on low speed when it calls for filtering... The circ pump only runs when pump 1 is in its filtration mode... Pump 2 only comes on when I turn it on. Also, if I plug the jet that the circ pump is using while im in the hot tub when the circ pump isnt on it creates an air lock in pump 2. The jet sucks in water when pump 2 is on........ Im assuming by plugging it it is sucking in air...... Thanks in advance for any replies! That my friend is a terrible piece of engineering. If it were me I would get rid of the tub, but if that is not an option then plug the current Ozone barb and T into the circ pump line and run your circ pump 24/7 Allow pump 1 to do the heating and schedule it to filter for a couple hours a day. Check and make sure the Ozone unit energizes with the circ pump. If it don't then we need to think about how to get power to Ozone during the circ pump cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeybobby Posted January 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Here is a sketch of how my circulating pump and ozonator are plumbed.. They both seem useless to me.. What is your opinion? Thanks in advance for any replies...... My guess is to swap the ozonator line and the air line going into jet 1 to get the ozonator working during filtration. Also, I dont have pump 1 on the sketch but pump 1 turns on on low speed when it calls for filtering... The circ pump only runs when pump 1 is in its filtration mode... Pump 2 only comes on when I turn it on. Also, if I plug the jet that the circ pump is using while im in the hot tub when the circ pump isnt on it creates an air lock in pump 2. The jet sucks in water when pump 2 is on........ Im assuming by plugging it it is sucking in air...... Thanks in advance for any replies! That my friend is a terrible piece of engineering. If it were me I would get rid of the tub, but if that is not an option then plug the current Ozone barb and T into the circ pump line and run your circ pump 24/7 Allow pump 1 to do the heating and schedule it to filter for a couple hours a day. Check and make sure the Ozone unit energizes with the circ pump. If it don't then we need to think about how to get power to Ozone during the circ pump cycle. Hi Roger, I just heard back from the people that I bought it from and they said they will agree to get a tech to come by and fix it the way it should be.... The way it should work is the circulation pump should be the only pump using the second filter and it should be pushing water through the heating element and it should distribute the ozone right? That would eliminate the need for the slow speed of pump 1 to come on..(which is what happens when I flip the dip switch to 24hr circ. Thanks again for your help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Hi Roger, I just heard back from the people that I bought it from and they said they will agree to get a tech to come by and fix it the way it should be.... The way it should work is the circulation pump should be the only pump using the second filter and it should be pushing water through the heating element and it should distribute the ozone right? That would eliminate the need for the slow speed of pump 1 to come on..(which is what happens when I flip the dip switch to 24hr circ. Thanks again for your help! That is exactly the way it should work. Heat and push ozone 24/7 through the small, quiet circ pump. Maybe still stir up the water for an hour or so, Or as HS calls it a clean up cycle. Hopefully you won't end up with a cobbled together morphydite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeybobby Posted January 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Hi Roger, I just heard back from the people that I bought it from and they said they will agree to get a tech to come by and fix it the way it should be.... The way it should work is the circulation pump should be the only pump using the second filter and it should be pushing water through the heating element and it should distribute the ozone right? That would eliminate the need for the slow speed of pump 1 to come on..(which is what happens when I flip the dip switch to 24hr circ. Thanks again for your help! That is exactly the way it should work. Heat and push ozone 24/7 through the small, quiet circ pump. Maybe still stir up the water for an hour or so, Or as HS calls it a clean up cycle. Hopefully you won't end up with a cobbled together morphydite. Well here is the latest..... They say the circ pump isn't strong enough to push enough water through the heating chamber and that its ok to be sharing the filter with pump 2 even though there is hardly any suction left coming down through the filter when it runs.... The thing draws 4.5 amps...... The element is a 5.5kw.... Dunno, maybe he has a point there about the water flow past the element... But the controls are designed to have it do that.... I'm not sure what to think.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spatech (the unreal one) Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Well here is the latest..... They say the circ pump isn't strong enough to push enough water through the heating chamber and that its ok to be sharing the filter with pump 2 even though there is hardly any suction left coming down through the filter when it runs.... The thing draws 4.5 amps...... The element is a 5.5kw.... Dunno, maybe he has a point there about the water flow past the element... But the controls are designed to have it do that.... I'm not sure what to think.... There are more than a few companies using a circ pump in the heater line like that. They should have done it right in the first place but I'm not surprised they don't want to replumb it. If they're going to charge people to add a circ pump the least they can do is utilizer it properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Well here is the latest..... They say the circ pump isn't strong enough to push enough water through the heating chamber and that its ok to be sharing the filter with pump 2 even though there is hardly any suction left coming down through the filter when it runs.... The thing draws 4.5 amps...... The element is a 5.5kw.... Dunno, maybe he has a point there about the water flow past the element... But the controls are designed to have it do that.... I'm not sure what to think.... There are more than a few companies using a circ pump in the heater line like that. They should have done it right in the first place but I'm not surprised they don't want to replumb it. If they're going to charge people to add a circ pump the least they can do is utilizer it properly. As it is, it will add an extra measure of filtration. But what truely is the point when as much as pump 1 is going to heat which also will filter. There truely is no point in using the circ pump. Remove it completely and shove it up some ones A** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeybobby Posted January 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Well here is the latest..... They say the circ pump isn't strong enough to push enough water through the heating chamber and that its ok to be sharing the filter with pump 2 even though there is hardly any suction left coming down through the filter when it runs.... The thing draws 4.5 amps...... The element is a 5.5kw.... Dunno, maybe he has a point there about the water flow past the element... But the controls are designed to have it do that.... I'm not sure what to think.... There are more than a few companies using a circ pump in the heater line like that. They should have done it right in the first place but I'm not surprised they don't want to replumb it. If they're going to charge people to add a circ pump the least they can do is utilizer it properly. As it is, it will add an extra measure of filtration. But what truely is the point when as much as pump 1 is going to heat which also will filter. There truely is no point in using the circ pump. Remove it completely and shove it up some ones A** HAHA They did offer to send a tech or just give me a full refund..... I know they wont let them pipe it through the heater though....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Hot Tub Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Here is a sketch of how my circulating pump and ozonator are plumbed.. They both seem useless to me.. What is your opinion? Thanks in advance for any replies...... My guess is to swap the ozonator line and the air line going into jet 1 to get the ozonator working during filtration. Also, I dont have pump 1 on the sketch but pump 1 turns on on low speed when it calls for filtering... The circ pump only runs when pump 1 is in its filtration mode... Pump 2 only comes on when I turn it on. Also, if I plug the jet that the circ pump is using while im in the hot tub when the circ pump isnt on it creates an air lock in pump 2. The jet sucks in water when pump 2 is on........ Im assuming by plugging it it is sucking in air...... Thanks in advance for any replies! The circ pump should be able to push water through the heater and filter if it is not big enough then they put the wrong circ pump in to begin with. Laurel spa tech for Hillbilly Hot Tubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeybobby Posted January 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Here is a sketch of how my circulating pump and ozonator are plumbed.. They both seem useless to me.. What is your opinion? Thanks in advance for any replies...... My guess is to swap the ozonator line and the air line going into jet 1 to get the ozonator working during filtration. Also, I dont have pump 1 on the sketch but pump 1 turns on on low speed when it calls for filtering... The circ pump only runs when pump 1 is in its filtration mode... Pump 2 only comes on when I turn it on. Also, if I plug the jet that the circ pump is using while im in the hot tub when the circ pump isnt on it creates an air lock in pump 2. The jet sucks in water when pump 2 is on........ Im assuming by plugging it it is sucking in air...... Thanks in advance for any replies! The circ pump should be able to push water through the heater and filter if it is not big enough then they put the wrong circ pump in to begin with. Laurel spa tech for Hillbilly Hot Tubs I believe the motor is rated for 120v 4A. I should go check it to be sure though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soakme Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 JoeyBobby, I just took delivery on the Oceanside as well haven't hooked it up yet, but I am afraid it might have the same plumbing problems... I was hoping you could tell me which pumps are which... with the electrical panel off, I can see one pump to the right od the spa pack and one to the left... can you tell me which pumps these are, and where the third one might be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kengorman Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 The way it should work is the circulation pump should be the only pump using the second filter That would eliminate the need for the slow speed of pump 1 to come on..(which is what happens when I flip the dip switch to 24hr circ. That is exactly how mine works. The circ pump runs 24/7 irrespective of what pump 1 is doing. Pump 1 comes on during filter cycles and when the heat cycles on (or when I manually turn it on). Well here is the latest..... They say the circ pump isn't strong enough to push enough water through the heating chamber and that its ok to be sharing the filter with pump 2 even though there is hardly any suction left coming down through the filter when it runs.... The thing draws 4.5 amps...... The element is a 5.5kw.... Dunno, maybe he has a point there about the water flow past the element... But the controls are designed to have it do that.... I'm not sure what to think.... Right - my circ pump isn't in-line with the heating element - only pump 1 is. At first I questioned the power of the pump and wasn't quite sure it was working. When pump 1 is turned on, it sucks water into the filter basket and a whirlpool forms. It is visually obvious pump 1 is running. For the circ pump, it is really hard to notice if water is even being drawn in. It wasn't until I placed my hand by the discharge jet that I realized how much water was being pushed out. The pump in my tub ( a 1/15 hp Emerson ) operates at about 30 GPM at peak efficiency. Spec sheet here. Also, I checked my plumbing again to confirm what I stated before. In my tub, the circ pump shares the 2nd filter with pump 2 (which is a manual pump only - meaning, pump 2 only comes on when commanded). Sounds like your is plumbed similarly to mine. Hope you get your issues resolved. Keep us posted. BTW, I think the circ pump is GREAT. Keeping my spa crystal clear has been pretty simple. Having a 24-hour circ pump with ozone keeps the water pretty clear. All I really do is throw in some shock after each use and keep 2-3 tablets in the bromine floater. I probably spend less than a minute a week on water maintenance and the water looks great. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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