Jerry Materne

Dude, you're a <deleted>.............10 ppm is not recommended or suggested by the CDC for safe pool water. I don't care what the CPO says........it obvioulsy doesn't have anyone from the health field advising whoever is writting it. I'll take the word of a doctor over the word of the EPA or a Pool Tech any day.

Look moron, my pool water has been nothing but a dream for two years and I have not had one problem with it. Take your EPA bullshit somewhere else. I equate the EPA with Greenpeace simply because ANYONE can be a member of it. The CDC is our governments establishment to set the health codes in this country, not the EPA. If the CDC states it's 1-3 ppm then it's 1-3 ppm. Since there are no symptoms being displayed by anyone swimming in my pool associated with CHLORAMINES then that means my pool doesn't have the levels of CC in the water to cause them. That means that my pool chemistry is obviously on par. Look jackass you may not trust the system but don't come in here trashing it with some half cocked bullshit you pull from the CPO. That book was written mainly for COMMERCIAL POOLS.........we're talking about private pools that do not have the load that a commercial pool would have. Mineral sanitizer are never recommended for commercial pools for that one reason but when it comes to a private pool that is an entirely different ball game. And yeah, I don't think canada is a real country..............

considering that most people use an erosion type chlorinator even if they state it or not makes it legitimate dumbass. Considering most erosion chlorinators use Trichlor that make is evem more legitmate of a response. Hey dumbass, if 10 ppm is the new norm according to you then why is the CDC still recommending 1-3 ppm. I think you better call that group of highly educated doctors and health experts and give them your expert opinion!!! LOL............what a dumbass. Oh, the only time the CDC ever recommends higher than 3 ppm for pools is when someone has a case of liquid shits in the pool. They recomment 20ppm but stress VERY HEAVILY to not go back into the pool until the FC is down to THEIR acceptable level. Which is, by the way, 1-3ppm. Shove your CPO up your over disinfected butt................................CDC trumps CPO any day.

Rubbish..........3ppm has been set as the absolute maximum the human skin can tolerate without getting irritated. When the chlorine manufactures revise it I'll consider it. Hell, if the new safe max is 10 ppm I'm suprised the chlorine makes didn't put that crap in their instructions. After all, that would require you to make more of your product...............I doubt your source and you really shouldn't be posting these "new norms" until they're universally accepted. Bake in your own pool dude.......I'll stick to the old method. Oh, commercial pools see more use, maybe that is why they suggest higher levels........if I'm right, most public commercial pools limit your time in them and since the bather load is so extreme I'm pretty sure they're counting on that 10ppm to not stay high long...

LOL, so what you're saying is passive erosion mineral sanitizer are ineffective period? Bullshit..... 2 ppm is the level established long ago if you just use chlorine alone. 3ppm is the max that is considered safe for swimming in. I find it hard to believe that our CDC here in the states would allow a system that claims to sanitize your pool with half the chlorine continue to do so. This isn't canada. I've been keeping my pool at .5ppm now for 2 years now and here is what I've noticed: 1st and most importantly no one in my pool has ever gotten ill. No pink eye......nothing!!! The water is crystal clear and has absolutely no odor. 2nd our swimsuits have not taken the normal amount of fading or wear from swimming in a pool kept at 1 to 3ppm I don't have to use as much chlorine to shock.........less FC produces less CC. Opening your eyes underwater in my pool doesn't result in the blood shot eyes later on like conventional pools. The only thing I don't like about it is the fact you will not gag if you swallow water like high chlorine pools will. Not that it's a problem, but I don't want people drinking my water in the pool. I think that's pretty sick regardless of how clean it is. Oh, NO ALGEA!!! In the two years I've had this system........I have not had one single issue of algea....... Debunk all you want but the system IS PROVEN and it is allowed in this country by our government as safe. I don't give a **** about what a bunch of canadian say anyway........hell, is canada a real country anyway?

I'm not going to argue that salt water systems are the way to go. In fact, I'm going to convert to salt water myself. But, water is usually safe between 1 and 3ppm free chlorine. If that is the levels of chlorine that is causing the dry hair then switching to salt water isn't going to stop that. Why, because the chlorine generator is keeping the water at 1 to 3ppm of chlorine!!! Same level of chlorine equates to same level of hair damage. The only solution I can think of is one that I have already done and it worked. My wife was constantly bitching and moaning about her hair getting dry in the pool. I got tired of it and installed a NATURE 2 system. Now my water is supposedly safe at .5ppm chlorine. Less chlorine, less damaged hair, less yacking from my wife screaming about her hair. Oh, and you can use the nature 2 system with saltwater. In fact you can set your generator to keep the pool at .5ppm......works out great. Oh, I'm not plugging nature 2. That is just the brand I went with but there are a lot of mineral sanitizers on the market. Nature 2 happens to have more websites to stumble across. Just make sure it's an Erosion type mineral sanitizer. Jerry Materne

Don't know but remembering what I'm about to tell you will keep you out of jail. If you're transporting chlorine, anything over 500 pounds requires you to have a hazmat endorsement and you have to know how to pack and placard it according to 49 CFR. Remember, 500 lbs, NOT 500 GALLONS. Jerry Materne

uh, correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the warnings on your chlorine containers tell you not to swim in the pool until the FC drops below 3ppm??? Where in the hell are you getting off saying 10ppm is swimable. Don't invite me to any of your pool parties buddy. Quit blowing mony on expensive test kits. You'd be better off taking a class on reading comprehension. Jerry Materne

Pool alarms, power safety cover, etc,... all sound great and are worth paying the price for but let's not forget the single most important thing when it comes with mixing a pool with children. Supervise your kids!!! I have a pool and it has a fence around it even though we have a fence that perimeters the yard. We a pool alarm that goes off inside and outside if the water's surface is broken. I even have a pool cover that can double as a trampoline damn near it seems and even with all of this, no one is in my back yard alone. Not even my ADULT WIFE. Anything can go wrong and if you get comfortable with it, IT WILL GO WRONG. It doesn't matter if your kid or spouse or you yourself can swim. In my yard, you're not in it alone simply because there is a pool back there. Jerry Materne

Don't know but I'll let you know about an electronic Ph tester I got. It's pretty accurate and automaticly compensates for temperature. I'm not sure if temperature affects only electronic tester or all testing methods. It was great when I first got it but got old quick. First, in order for it to stay accurate you have to constantly calibrate it with buffers that are pretty expensive. Mine has to be calibrated with three different buffers. One buffer at 4 Ph, the other at 7 Ph and the other at 10 Ph. Along with this, the sensor on the tester itself can not be allowed to dry.......and you can't leave it in water. LOL, yeah well, that explaination didn't offer that much help. I leave a piece of cloth in the cap in hopes that moisture in the air will help. Those sensor tips are almost as expensive as the tester itself and they only last a year or two if you take great care of them. Now this is just with a Ph meter. There may be other systems out there that are a great improvement to what I have. Once calibrated though, this thing will measure Ph with a resolution of .2 which is great for pool needs. Hope this helps. Jerry

Remember, you erosion style chlorinator (if you have one) uses stablized TriChlor Tablets. It's been my experience that this brings my CYA levels up pretty fast as well. Take that into account if you use Trichlor Jerry

I have a firm policy with my pool. If your kid is in diapers he/she is too small to get in my pool regardless. First of all, it's dangerous no matter how well supervised the baby is. Second, for that reason alone. Babys are "**** and piss generators" and why would you let that in your pool? That is my opinion, but I could be wrong. My opinion, if you don't wont to pay for a babysitter........don't have the damn baby.

That is beyond my wisdom. All I know is that the recommended time is 8 hrs. I've never read anyting on running it in "shifts". Jerry

Okay, I've been pretty patient over the two years I've owned this thing and I've finally came to a conclusion. It's not that great of an automatic cleaner for the money you put down for it. I've tried playing with the jets, adjusting water rate through the little tail, and even replacing the little rubber tires in hopes of givng the ability to climb a wall. Here is the list of annoying things this thing does: 1. Unless you luck out on the perfect jet directions (rear of machine) it tends to turn in only one direction instead of radomly. This results in the hose becoming a tangled mess even though there are swivel joints in it to prevent just that. 2. If it hits the wall or anything else, there it sits until the reverse valve kicks in. It will not traction out of it. It will just sit there in one spot spinning away. Not too good for a vinyl liner pool. There is a bumper attachment you can buy to prevent this problem (obviously the engineers have noticed this problem too) but no one sells it. In fact, letro has disconinued making that attachment. Most pools have four walls and steps so you can imagine how much time is wasted by this thing sitting in one spot. This is a waste of energy and time that could be better served letting your jets circulate. 3. Very temperature sensitive. How it this? The bouyancy. The warmer the water, the better it seems to run. This may not be an issue with just this one cleaner. In fact, I'm going to go out on a whim and guess this is an issue with all cleaners. Colder water is more bouyant and since the cleaners can't change their bouyancy, well there you go. It's an issue with this machine because it compounds the above stated problems. 4. In my case, it increases the back pressure to your pump and nature 2 system. Yes, this thing has single handedly destroyed a Nature 2 system because of the back pressure it generates. It doesn't use a booster pump so it attaches straight to one of your return nozzles. I've noticed it doesn't seem to help too much with the cartridge filter either. I always end up with a reading five or so psi after using this thing even though it doesn't use the suction side to clean. What gives? So there you go in a nutshell. I'm calling it a peice of garbage. It just isn't that great of a cleaner. I've gotten better results from a $80.00 suction side cleaner my wife got online. Hell, the thing didn't even have a brand name on it. It came in a box marked Pool cleaner, suction side. We've named her "nessie". I guess the robotic type works better but we're not rich enough to buy one yet. Jerry

I'm sick of your bantering Brenda. It's not wave tec's fault, it's their sub contractor's fault? What kind of **** thinking is this??? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't wave tec responsible for supplying quality contractors? Isn't wave tec ultimately responsible for their sub contractors work? Brenda, you indeed do sound like an employee of wave tec and your word isn't to be trusted on this site. How do I know this? Simple: Everytime wave tec actually talked to me about their problem they tried to push it off on the sub contractor. They don't do that **** with me anymore because I took delight in reminding them I signed a contract with WAVE TEC not a fucking sub contractor. Enough said......go drown yourself in your pool. Jerry Materne

As with all cartridge filters you need to make note of the pressure when you first place a new filter in it. Write that reading down somewhere as this is important. Anytime, in the future, your pressure reading raises 8-10 psi you need to clean the filter. This is important. Filters are mass produced so every new filter will have a slightly different reading when you first install them. Just remember to get a new start up pressure on each new filter you install........... Jerry Materne

It will go up quite a bit. Our bill went from around 100 a month to about 300 a month running our pump for the reccomended minimum of 8 hours per day. So, if your pool is smaller than ours (16 by 32) you may be able to run it for less time. Oh, we pay 15 cents per kilowatt hour here. I'm sure you can do the math when compared to your rates. I hope this helps. Jerry Materne

You're in luck. You're on the internet which means it will be no hassle for you to go to your city's webpage and READ YOUR LOCAL ORDINANCES......... Most cities have "attractive nuisance" laws and pools and trampolines have long been the culprit of some really nasty law suits. I'll be honest with you, having a pool in your yard without a fence around it would make you a fool. I'm not trying to be mean, just being up front and honest with you. You're just inviting trouble. Every kid in your neighborhood would be sneaking back there for a quick dip. Hell, even a few of the craftier ones could even manage to remove your cover. Of course they can jump a fence but in a law suit that would show their intent to tresspass on your property. No insurance company will cover you if you are in VIOLATION of your local codes involving that pool. So, check them out. If you can't find a webpage call the city engineer......he'll probably call you something more harsh than a fool though for even thinking that. Take my advice, spring for the fence. It will save you a lot of grief in the long run. Jerry.

A rat huh? WOW!!! Now, that's $#@#$#@ funny!!! Jerry.......

First off, if you read the instructions on the clarifier it will tell you if you need to turn off the pump and let sit overnight or run your pump overnight. I have yet to see any clarifier instruct you to turn your pump off. They all state that you should let the pump run for at least four hours after you add it to the water or to let it run over night. That is how clarifier works. It causes the fine particles too small for your filter to catch to clump together to get to a size that allows the filter to catch. Second, adding the clarifier and not letting the water circulate doens't allow all of the clarifier to distribute around the entire pool and this being the case, you're probably not allowing all the particles suspended in your pool water to be subjected to the effects of the clarifier. Try this, add the clarifier to your pool water. Make sure you pour a little directly into your skimmer to coat you cartridge filter. This helps believe me. Next, walk away from the pool and leave the pump running. The next day you'll notice a difference. BUT................ You said you have a 15000 gallon pool with a 50 square foot cartridge filter??? I have a 21000 gallon pool but the cartridge filter I had installed is a 175 square foot filter. I'm no math wiz but the difference between filter requiremenst for our pools seem a little non linear........meaning if your filter is of the right size then my filter is way too big but if my filter is sized right you may have a filter sizing problem. That may explain why you can't seem to catch up to your pool water........................... Hey I'm no expert but use the clarifier the way the "chemists" intend for you to use it and you should have no problems. With that LITTLE filter of yours it may take a while but you'll eventually get your water clear. Something that has helped me out a lot was adding a chemical to my water that removes phosphorous. That makes the environment for algae growth less friendly and I've not had one bit of algae problems since doing that. Jerry........

Hey dude, I like you. You seem to be the most level headed person in this discussion to date. I have this one thing to offer: If wavetec is capable of regaining their BBB endorsement through the "shady" act of adding .INC to their name, would it be possible that they would have the gumption to send moles into this site to try to discredit anyone complaining about them? After all, they do some pretty crappy work out there after that fantastic sells pitch so in my book these people have balls of pure brass to even put that happy go lucky comercial on tv knowing that they'll hand that job off to a sub contractor and wash their hand of you. I know wavetec has done some quality work out there. I'm giving them that much but that doesn't mean they have the right to turn their backs on people that were given less than admirable results on their pools. They do not have the right to shirk their obligations to install a quality pool simply because they did one or two jobs out there in the past. That is just my opinion........I could be wrong. Jerry.....

Check the pre screen in the pump itself. Next check to see if your filter needs to be cleaned or replaced. if, and only if, your pump is leaking water you may to need to have the condition of the O rings in your pump checked or replace BUT, that is only if you're noticing a lot of water shooting out of your pump. If that were the case you would have obviously stated that in here. Doing the first two things should increase your waterflow. If you have any questions you can call me at 254-458-4595......ask for Jerry. Jerry...... Another possibility here.........If your pool is old and hasn't been open for a while it is possible for either junk in your lines that would somehow need to be flushed or cleaned out or some sort of build up on the impellers in your pump............. Let me know what you find, I'm curious now...........

Well, you'll gain some extra expense. You have to consider the chemicals your particular pool will need. You'll also have to consider replacement parts if you have anything that will eventually wear out like a cartridge filter, DE or sand replacements when it comes time to have to change that out. If you have a mineral purfier like the Nature2 system you'll have to replace that every six months. Even with the Nature2 or other mineral purifiers you'll have to keep a certain level of chlorine in the pool and that will mean maintaining that level of chlorine that is recommended and shocking the pool when you have to deal with the combined chlorine that eventually builds up. Mostly, your expense will be in buying chlorine, cleaning agents, and most ELECTRICITY!!! Yes, you're electric bill will definitely remind you that you have a pool in your yard. No pump out there can get you around that. I usually run my pool 8 hours a day during pool season and my electric bill is pretty close to doubled during that time and that is with a modern "efficient" 56 frame motor. Of course, if you let the filter get too dirty your bill will go even higher................ In a nuttshell...........you'll pay money. That is just the cold hard truth to having to maintain that much water to a certain extent as to keep it safe to swim in. Ask questions. Check out the prices for chemicals you'll need. Ask how much you'll normally need. Rule of thumb in this area is the more people you have in your pool the more you'll need to check and treat your water. Learn how to calculate how much electricity will cost you by looking at the wattage of the motor. Don't forget the pool light uses electricity too. If you're in rainy area you'll have to treat more often as well...........in dry areas you'll be replacing evaporated water. man, I can go on and on.......but if you're willing to pay out the bucks and do a little work......you'll have the time of your life. Sorry I couldn't give you a dollar amount but I hope I steered you in the direction to find out on your own. Jerry. Good luck.

Well, simple. We checked out a few companies and checked the ones that were endorsed with the BBB. My ultimate undoing was the fact that I was ignorant to what the BBB endorsement really stood for. Absolutely nothing unless they get so many complaints they have no choice but to pull the endorsement. My lack of knowledge in pools didn't help to much as this is the first and last pool I will ever have installed, not out of anger but for the fact we're not ever going to sell this house. Of course we checked the testimonials and called all the people they have given us for references but didn't realize that out of the one or two satisfied customers there were five others that were extremely pissed at this company we went with. This is not a very good ratio by any means. I'll give it this much though, my rant in this room seems to have motivated the company I got with to get off of their asses and do something. My pool is pretty damn near the in condition it was promised to be in when they finished even though it took a year. I am still currently waiting for one last mistake to get fixed. I regret that I had to drag this company's name through the dirt to get what needed to be done fixed but I guess it was an evil that had to be done. You see, even though you portray yourself as a great pool builder how would any of us really know if you're reputable or not? Your sales pitch can't be any different than theirs. I have the same amount of untrust for you as any other company out there when we first meet. Don't think for a minute just because you portray yourself as a "mom and pop" pool builder that instills trust because it doesn't. You're just as liable to screw a job up as a larger company. The difference is the bigger companies, even though it takes a while, has the resources to come back later and correct the problem after you chase after them for a little while. Ultimately it would be the lack of information out there that leads people to go to a company that will try to do the least amount of work for the most money. Had I come to THIS place on the internet first I would have never chosen the company I went with but, that doesn't mean that someone with a small company would not have taken me for just a miserable of a ride. That is just my opinion. I could be wrong............... Jerry