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This post will be helpful. https://www.poolspaforum.com/forum/index.php?/topic/13634-nitros-approach-to-water-maintaince/
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Liquid chlorine (bleach) slow dispenser
arobbert replied to bassie123456's topic in Hot Tub Water Chemistry
I've been using this one:BRS 2 Part Doser - 1.1 mL per minute - from Bulk Reef Supply With this timer for a 200 gal tub. EcoPlus Dual Digital Timer - Bulk Reef Supply.. Works great, maintains 1 to .5 ppm. I add the correct amount of oxidizer for the number of bathers each time I use it. I haven't had to shock once. I keep the chlorine in my basement about 15 ft away. Ran it all winter unless it got below 8 F using 12% strength. Switched to the manual method when temps got near zero. -
New book out called Love Your Spa / Hot Tub again
arobbert replied to LoveYourSpaAgain's topic in Hot Tub Water Chemistry
Sounds like Hydrogen Peroxide. This info. is available for free. -
How to start a @ease tub properly? New spa owner
arobbert replied to S2k4Str's topic in Hot Tub Water Chemistry
If that CC level stays high you should run a purge ASAP. It should be 1 or less. -
How to start a @ease tub properly? New spa owner
arobbert replied to S2k4Str's topic in Hot Tub Water Chemistry
How many gallons is tour tub? That's a lot of MPS. You can probably use the tub now if the levels have come down a bit. -
How to start a @ease tub properly? New spa owner
arobbert replied to S2k4Str's topic in Hot Tub Water Chemistry
It sounds like you're on the right track. Do yourself a big favor, purge it with Aah-some first. This will help prevent headaches in the upcoming months and provide assurance that it's clean. You will need to test your chlorine one to two times a day initially until you get your process dialed in. You can use a simple OTO chlorine test (saves time) for most of your testing and use the more extensive chlorine test occasionally or if you are having problems. Adjust your AK first following the instructions at the link below: https://www.poolspaforum.com/forum/index.php?/topic/19149-lowering-total-alkalinity/ You can skip borates for now. You want your AK between 50 and 80 and PH between 7.4 and 7.8 To be honest I would skip the @ease thing and measure the chlorine yourself. The mineral part of those things doesn't really do anything in my experience so all your getting is a very expensive disposable chlorine dispenser. It uses dichlor but there's no way to know how much is being added so you'll never be able to calculate your CYA level. See if they'll give you some Dichlor of similar value instead. Use the pool calc link below to calculate how much dichlor to add to get your CYA up. This will probably take a few weeks. You can also use the tool to figure out how much acid to add for PH and AK adjustments as well. It also gives good guidelines for proper levels and tools for calculating all adjustments to your chemistry. After the CYA is around 30 to 40 switch to bleach. https://www.troublefreepool.com/calc.html No need for MPS. It will mess with your PH levels (acidic). -
You're welcome let us know how it goes!
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This one https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004BGF7TI/ref=asc_df_B004BGF7TI5337605/?tag=hyprod-20&creative=394997&creativeASIN=B004BGF7TI&linkCode=df0&hvadid=198092864586&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=532667794853555589&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9017486&hvtargid=pla-553423955032 Or this one that has more tests http://tftestkits.net/TF-100-Test-Kit-p4.html
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You can tell when to refill if you have persistent high levels of combined chloramines. You test for this with a drop test kit (not strips, they are inaccurate). If the number is much above 1 (1.5, 2 or more) you can try shocking to bring it down to 1 or less. It will help if you maintain proper sanitization/oxidation practices. There are chloramines and other disolved solids aka bather waste that can't be oxidized. Eventually they will build to a level that can't be managed by normal sanitation/oxidation processes or shocking. The water will require more chlorine or bromine and will be difficult to maintain. This is a good time to drain and refill. The amount of time for this to happen varies and is affected by spa size, number of bathers, sanitizer/oxidizer application and frequency of use. For most users this is 3 to 4 months. There are many users getting 6 or months out a fill. You can also tell if you have persistent cloudy water that requires constant shocking. If you get to this stage you've gone to far. The CC test is a way to tell by testing and can indicate unseen problems. It will also indicate overall health of the water.
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UTI's and Frog @Ease Chlorine System
arobbert replied to newguy2017's topic in Hot Tub Water Chemistry
You may find the thread below helpful. To insure proper chlorination you will need to test chlorine daily with a drop test kit (not strips). Each situation is different. After you establish your chlorine need you can test less frequently. https://www.poolspaforum.com/forum/index.php?/topic/18706-chlorine-demand/ The problem with the frog system is it uses dichlor that increases your CYA. Over time it will get to high and greatly increase the amount of chlorine needed. The thread below will help explain this interaction. MPS will help reduce this problem but it is not a sanitizer so you will still need to make sure you are maintaining a proper sanitizer level. Without testing daily there is no way to know. -
Most people on this site use the dichlor then bleach method outlined here: https://www.poolspaforum.com/forum/index.php?/topic/23090-dichlorbleach-method-in-a-nutshell/ It is now recommended to use Ah-some instead of spa purge. Most people seem to change their water every 3 to 4 months. Since your tub is used I would do an Ahh-some purge ASAP. Here is a link to a great tool for figuring out your chemical doses: https://www.troublefreepool.com/calc.html
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If you maintain your water correctly you don't need a product like that (clarifier). It's just a way for stores to sell you more product. In this case it sounds like it created a problem that wasn't there before. By the way, most people don't change their water more than once every 3 to 4 months. Shocking is not needed if you keep your sanitizer at the correct level.
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Where To Buy Non-Stabilized Chlorine??
arobbert replied to PinkFloydEffect's topic in Hot Tub Water Chemistry
There's no reason you can't use a stand alone stabilizer instead of dichlor. I've thought about doing that myself except that I have a bunch of dichlor. I use an aquarium dosing pump with my tub. It works well. -
Where To Buy Non-Stabilized Chlorine??
arobbert replied to PinkFloydEffect's topic in Hot Tub Water Chemistry
There is no puck chlorine that doesn't contain stabilizer. This is a shame because it's so easy and affordable. Use bleach/ liquid chlorine (same thing). You just add bleach after use instead of dichlor. Use dichlor initially until you get to about 40 ppm CYA. Then switch to bleach. If you want something automated use a salt system or a liquid chlorine pump. These cost around $150 to $300. I use a pump that maintains a base level. Then add a small amount of bleach after use. If I don't use the tub the pump will maintain an adequate level. -
Calculating amount of pH for reducing TA
arobbert replied to mrmodo's topic in Hot Tub Water Chemistry
I would add that you want to do this process slowly because sometimes you can over shoot. I experienced this lately. Once you get your levels in the ballpark give it a 12 hour rest and proceed at a slower pace Always aerate (a pain in the winter). If you lower the PH to much and then don't aerate you can end up with lower than desired PH levels.- 4 replies
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