Brulan1

What kind of Hot tub? I think you may want to consider using a 6 gauge wire rather than an 8 gauge especially under that much load.

You don't want to close the jets, you want to shut off the air to the jets when not in use. Make sure you have your filtering as low as possible and run in economy. The reality is you have a budget spa that uses thermopane for insulation and while the manufacturer will give it a Marketing name and claim it insulates well they just plain do not. This is one of the drawbacks to these spas; insulation is some wrap and a song and dance. To truly reduce your bill you need to upgrade your insulation. The manufacturer will be of no help here and if they know you did so I wouldn't doubt they'd use that against you to invalidate future warranty claims. While you may want to discuss their insulation issues I might avoid telling them I plan to alter their spa in any way if you indeed decide to do so. get some heat reflective tape to atleast staple to the inside and if you need service just pull it out and put it back in when the repair man leaves. But you have to be sneaky about it

Out of those 3 def. coleman.

Not to start anything but what is the R-factor of full foamed, couldn't find any on most manufactures websites. 18-21=R-Value for full foam

The Eco Pure filters may indeed give better performance but the question really is whether it is "enough better" to justify the price difference (and you don't indicate what that difference is). To me this is like the Nature 2 cartridges where some may say their cost is not justified because there is not an equal reduction in chemical costs. I would argue that while that may be true you also have to take into account the fact that they make water maintenance easier and that is certainly worth something to the people I deal with. I doubt the Eco Pur filters reduce chemical use much (I would NOT alter my sanitizer use one bit between the two) but maybe they're worth the piece of mind and ease of water care, that's your call (again, depending on the price difference). I would try the pleatco and judge for yourself and see if you notice a difference. Hell what do you have to lose, 30bucks? haha go for it

I hear over and over again how important the first few seconds of a phone call are to make a connection and grab interest, and my question to all of you is - are you still opening your calls with the standard, "how are you today?" If so, then you've just turned off about half of your prospects. Think about it, what's your reaction to someone you don't know who calls you and asks, "how are you today?" If youre like most people, you're thinking, "I'll be much better as soon as I can you off the phone! Want to know a better way? The top 20% understand how important it is to differentiate themselves from the hundreds of other people calling their prospects, and they are focused on engagingb and creating interest with their prospects. Here's a techique they use that works really well: When your prospect answers the phone, announce yourself and then ask, "can you here me OK?" This immediately catches your prospect off guard, forces them to focus, think, and respond in a positive manner, which is usually "Yes, I can." An additional benefit is that your prospect is now also paying closer attention to what you're about to say next. Quite an improvemt over the other method/response, isn't it? If your prospect happens to say, "yes, why can you hear me?" (or some variation), just tell them that you're trying a new headset, or that there was a clicking on the line, or that it's very busy in the background there (or whatever else might actuyally be going on in your work environment), and you wanted to make sure you both had a clear connection. Then continue on with your presentation (which should begin with, "briefly, the reason for the call...") This technique, which may sound simple, really works well and though it may take somne time getting used to, you will end up loving the new reactions and results you get. I urge you to try it for a few days and see for yourself the difference it makes to all of you Hot tub salespeople. I agree with people who say you only have a few seconds to make a connection, and now you have proven way to do just that. I leared this technique working on the floor of the NYSE on wall street for 2 years after college and worked especially well in that environment considering the noise level and works very well for getting people's attention. Best Regards, Brandon R

Bottom line of this whole thread...Eco Pur filters keep your water clean! They actually filter water to NSF standards for drinking water. While I'm not going to drink the water in my spa, I surely will soak in it without hesitation! Ecopur doesn't keep your water clean, you do! Ecopur kills some bacteria and still needs sanitizer (oxidizer)

Most electricians I know want the tub at the site before they wire it up. Making a second trip is a pain.

Never tell a town you are putting a portable tub otherwise they will def. want the money. Put it their and if the town says something than you can fight it and back it up with those handy pics.

It's A NICE A !!!!

Each spa company should have a spa that comes close to that 5'x7' but it will be what they refer to as a 3 person spa and in reality it will only fit 2. If you are really hold back by that 5' width you'll have trouble finding anything that holds mor than 2 people. Is that 5' set in stone? Try the Coleman spa model 351 3 seater or sundance makes a 3 seater or D1 makes a 3 seater, even hotsprings makes a 3 seater called the Jetsetter I think. All of them are around 5x7

burned the pumps out? Possibly fried the brain?

Check out Tiger River, Coleman 100 series Cal Coop, Mabye a Dynasty from a good dealer.

That is an item that never really has to come off once its on. At some point your dealer may suggest that when you next drain teh spa that he puts a small amount of silicon on it when he installs it. You'd still be able to remove it in the future if you ever wanted to (not that you really would) and it would probably solve the issue. This is a common problem with both pentair and waterway jets in I would say 90 perent of hot tub manufacturers. For instance this is a major problem with Artic spas and I have heard more than several reviews from customers who own them. I even stopped into my local Artic Dealer and as he was displaying the tub brand new 15 of the 40 jets popped out. Some other manufacturers don't have this problem as bad. The design of the jet body itself is important as well as those little tabs on the jet itself. I wish you the best

Very true. I have a gentleman that has the same problem but it stays @ 109 and the reason being is circ pump and the tub is exposed to the sun all day long. during the winter he has a normal 104-105 and by the time he is done using it it is 102 even when the temperature is below 30 degrees.

They sell these at Costco in the seatle area and the optima was 8k so it seams alot cheaper then a dealer. See if you have a local Costco that may have them. If you do not want a service plan or warranty go with Cotsco. If you want your product backed up for several years go with a dealer. You are obviously not aware that the local dealers will service the spas sold through Costco as the warranty is from Sundance and they pay the local dealer for any service work needed to the spa. No Dealer is going to do work for free and no dealer will warrant a tub but rather the factory. As for the warranty it is the same as any dealer that sells the Sundance line..... I suppose you will now say that Sundance is a second rate spa now? I do not think you are aware that a dealer will not be happy to do the warranty work and will care less if it breaks down again unless they sold it. I don't think dealers are too happy about the situation either. You might see alot of dealers dropping that line or taking on another line of spas. We all know what happens when dealers switch manufacturers like underwear. Leaves an ugly taste in old customers mouths. "WE NO LONGER SERVICE THAT SPA SIIIRRRRR!" "YOU WILL HAVE TO CONTACT THE MANUFACTURER SIIIRRRR!" Sort of like buying a spa from Cotsco to begin with. Sounds like sundance (NASCO or whatever) is desperately trying to sell more units. I can understand if they made a cheesier line like Hot Srings highlife model did for Cotsco but they took their identical spa's from my understanding and just plopped them into a hand full of Cotsco stores in essence affecting independent dealers. That is like the situation with Master spa's opening up Corporate Master Dealers right behind independent dealers stores (PA Hershey in particular of the top of my head). Alot of Dealers dropped Master spa because of that. Some people are lucky to find a place in this forum and identify with other people with similar situations.

This must tell you something.

Rough terrain forklift and extensions no problem, less expensive than a crane. Done it many times. Some suburban areas have restrictions into yards due to size or may be other obscicles prohibiting further unto the delivery process, Roger. I still havn't witnessed a flying forklift.

They sell these at Costco in the seatle area and the optima was 8k so it seams alot cheaper then a dealer. See if you have a local Costco that may have them. If you do not want a service plan or warranty go with Cotsco. If you want your product backed up for several years go with a dealer.

OK...thanks. The surface right now is basically 'fill' and consists of dirt and rocks so maybe not a good idea. A BOOM should cost around 250 bucks

Some do. Some spa owners use Dichlor and/or bleach. Others use bromine and some use Biguanide (PHMB aka Baquacil). There are advantages and disadvantages to each. Other pool chemicals, specifically baking soda (sodium bicarbonate or Alkalinity Up) are also used for pH buffering. Calcium is not usually added since tubs are not usually plaster. You should have a calcium hardener to the water especially when dealing with bromine because it prevents excessive foaming. Generally when you use bromine you constantly have to add alkalinity to set the PH in range. When you constantly do that your TDS builds and foaming starts. TO prevent excess foaming, hardener should be added.

5 ft or more away from the tub shall be the GFCI in eye view. Also I highly recommend a 6 gauge wire and have him run a neutral wire as well even if you won't use it this time around.

Jacuzzi is a sexy tub but I think Caldera is generally a better quality product.

You mean, as in Arctic Spas??? Welcome to the forum. Sounds like you've been talking to one of our sales reps! Artic or Coleman sounds like what your looking for or perhaps Jacuzzi with your forever floor or ABS pan but than of coarse no accessibility with the jacuzzi

Depending on the thickness of the shell itself, no?