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The D1 Serena at that price is unbeatable. I just sold one, granted it's an 06, for 16,500. It's the top of D1's lineup and an absolute steal at that price. Dual dynamic massage sequencers, set-up for "bowflex" type work out, eye-watch system, total body hydrotherapy,and not to mention it's a visually stunning work of art. I sell them, however, I'd jump on that deal.

Basic Maintenance calls for at least a 1/4 cup of shock weekly. D1's vision system basically goes above and beyound to ensure that if you follow their program your water will remain crispy, sparkly clear. See what works for you and your usage, but mind you, if your water goes to hell you might be investing more in chemicals to resolve the chemistry issue than you would following the D1 prescription. Good Luck.

That is absolutely hilarious. Immature marketing at it's finest! My hat is off to them, they deserve some sort of award for that...*** Move of the Year...The Spa Blocker...maybe a Saddey Award...A Spammy...something is in order.

It's not going to hurt anything. I know quite a few people who religously add shock after every use. It's more of an assurance that bacteria levels, after tub use, will be taken care of and the sanitizer can more effectively maintain the tub. Go for it.

If everyone got along and agreed there would be no need for a forum. This would be called pool and spa cult. Take what you can from the arguments and do some research on your own to form your own opinion. A lot of the topics discussed are, at the very least, contriversial leading to no definitive right or wrong answer. However, I've never seen a question go completely unanswered and that, my friends, is all you can ask for.

Everyone is now right and on the same page. I sell Marquis, D1, and Clearwater. The sales tactics described earlier in the conversation absolutely disgust me. If you are selling a quality tub ensure that you simply get the message you're trying to convey across to the consumer. For a sale to happen you must show the benefits of your product and that should be enough. If your benefits and features appeal to the consumer and you build up some emotional rapport with them the sale is yours. Only inexperienced sales people would resort to such tactics as bashing the competition. I'll be the first to admit that I've found myself doing it in the past, but I can't recall ever closing a sale after doing so. There are a lot of quality tubs on the market with different approaches to solving different issues, but ultimately it is up to the consumer to choose what tub best suites their needs, regardless of a great presentation. One thing I've learned through sales training is some glorified marketing rep pumps up those ready to take in his enormous wealth of sales knowledge and he will make it a point that everyone who walks thru your showroom doors can be closed. It absolutely sickens me to hear these sales tactics conveyed. You know the old get them saying yes trick, or the let me ask my manager tactics. These are just my HUMBLE opinions on selling...build rapport, know your product, and allow the consumer to sell themselves.

We have two giant showrooms, one in green bay and one in appleton. The dealers absolutely love us. D1 has been knocking on our door for four years and we finally took them on 2 years ago. Dealing with the most expensive brands is nice because quality is not an issue, but when someone only has 6000 and they want a nice looking spa where do you go? The competition. But not anymore, and if any of my reps have an issue with it, my point will be just that.

Are you kidding!!!?? Sorry, I'm not surprised, you're dealing with master spa. I'm pretty sure commission structure isn't sitting at 25% either. Who in their right mind pays a commission on a DEPOSIT? Sorry to advocate what I'm about to say but SUE SUE SUE! This crap has to stop and if it means driving A$$holes like that out of business, so be it. He's trying to scam you into making the purchase, contact the better business bureau ASAP and take the chump down. Good luck!

Very carefully. Opening questions are vital. If a customer wants a lounge and conformed seating it's instantly D1 and Clearwater. If they want a more opened concept hot tub it's Marquis. Of course, for me to make more money I would prefer to sell a Serena Bay over a Clearwater, but if price is the issue the average consumer sees a comparably flashy tub in the clearwater with a "different philosophy" behind the construction and insulation. Clearwater was brought in to be our pricepoint killer but after setting a few up I could see them morphing into our best seller. The biggest thing is the jetting. No matter how many times you beat into a consumers head the Marquis philosophy and high flow, they still notice the limited jetting. Now they don't have to shop around, I've got their tub.

Now for something really cool do the same thing, but say aloud, "there's no place like home, there's no place like home..."

That has been an extremely popular method as of the last few years. I can't see any faults in the Nature 2 system if you are monitoring your tub and utilizing the chlorine as prescribed. Good points both of you, but for now I'll still stick to my "chemical soup". MMM MMM Good.

Well Mr. Ed, there is a difference in sanitation. Bromine is a more stable compound in hot water than chlorine is. Chlorine has a natural tendency to revert to it's gaseous state in normal hot tub temperatures of 99 to 105 degrees. The other nice thing about bromine is if it does not come into contact with bacteria it can be reverted from an inactive element to an active element by being introduced to Ozone. Bromine and an ozinator with a mineral cartridge is, in my opinion, the most cost effective and efficient method of sanitation.

As a matter of fact I do. Very inisghtful of you Amanda, I also sell Marquis. We just picked up Clearwater and I'm thinking we're going to drop the everyday line Marquis produces. People can take one look at both spas and without hesitation chooses Clearwater. Compare looks, jetting, and warranty Clearwater has a distinct edge over the everyday models but THEY'RE AT THE SAME PRICEPOINT!!! My largest objection has been price. D1 and Marquis are some of the most expensive tubs on the market and clearwater is a superb alternative.

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I was wondering if anyone had any experiences with Clearwater. They seem to be a really well constructed tub with a solid philosophy backing it up...

How about a nice voucher with the spa that rules parking lots. The masterspa brings tents, snakey sales people, and deception to this circus act. It's a big friggin parade of ignorance. I like sundance. Master makes a good tub as well but the sales tactics bring down the tub about 20 notches. Why is your name "master" by the way? God it would rock if you sell them.

You should pay a lot. Price seems to be a big concern with you so I'll give you the heads up at what I start at price wise and the lowest I'll ever go because the three tubs you've mentioned WILL BE SOLD to someone who takes one look at the "nice" features you've pointed out then grabs their wallet or purse. The "nice" features are actually standard on the Lotus Bay and the Serena Bay. Chairman II does not have these standards. On to pricing...Serena starts 17k ends 13,299...Lotus starts 14k ends 12,199...Chairman II starts 12k ends 10,999. Again this is my stores pricing policy and it's put in place to cover our overhead. We may be higher or lower than anyone but what we offer in services, (ie. water testing, our parts and labor warranties, 17 truck service fleet, etc...) makes up our margins and should be taken into consideration when purchasing. YOU WILL NOT MAKE A WRONG CHOICE WITH ANY D1 YOU HAVE MENTIONED!

D1's are going to go from anywhere between 7k and 17k depending on the model.

Holy Brainwashing Batman! I must have this M6 spa you speak of. You mean they're ripping of D1? It's been done and you don't sound too keen on your competition. Read up a bit more because the Chairman II is worth it and already has the features you're describing in the almighty M6!!!! I'm sure overly justifying the price in that aspect alone.

That is the one and only issue with the neckflex jet pillow, other than trying to say the damn name of the thing 5 times quickly. I've sold D1 and can honestly say I picked the tub apart and after time that is all I've found to go wrong with the pillow system is the tubing deteriorating.

Hey there Chuck, to start Hot Springs makes a nice tub, Coleman is decent, D1 is primo, thus the pricing differential. The models in the lineups are also not so comparable other than size. Have you wet tested? Personally, if price is not the issue I would pounce on the D1, however if it is a concern the Hot Springs would be a nice prospect. Look into the filtration systems of both as well as ozonation, heating, and energy efficiency, but the #1 judge is how comfortable the tub is to you...WET TEST.

D1 has some of the deepest seats you'll encounter. Even if it's just for schticks and grins get a wet test in a Serena Bay. It's D1's cream of the crop. I personally have to adjust myself to stay above the water line and I'm 5'11''...should work out great for you and your wife as it has multilevel seating. Also, it's convertable to an aqua fitness system in a way. Basically an underwater bowflex. I don't think you'll find a more compatable spa, but good luck.

The Seville is a great spa for it's size. It totals 43 jets and utilizes the "ultrapure" water system which is one of the only 24 hour ozone purification systems on the market. Nice lounge, extremely comfortable, and energy efficient. There are not many cons that come to mind with a D1 other than price and you had better like lounges. Nice spa.

Thanks for the input people. I've wet tested both tubs and I've found them both comfortable and therapudic. The marquis tri zone took a little getting used to on the Epic but once I started to understand it more I think it's a great feature. The jetting in the beachcomber was nice as well. The one thing I really liked was the different jetting styles in the beachcomber as opposed to the Marquis not having any "whirly spinners". The price difference is about 2K between the two Marquis being higher. The Marquis has all the bells and whistles except for the stereo system. I really like the in house read out and operational controls with the marquis as well. Warranty is pretty comperable with what I've been told by both dealers. Does 10,700 and 8,800 sound about right by comparison? Thanks again.

Looking for opinions and hoping to find facts on the differences and advantages of both tubs. Price is a lot higher for the Marquis and the beachcomber has a lot of the same features it seems. I'm looking between the 740 and the Epic. Thanks people.