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When we were looking for our spa Hot Springs was one of the ones we went in to look at after doing research on the web. We came out of the store feeling very slimy. The sales person basically followed us out to our car while we kept trying to tell him NO. If it had not been for the sales person's tactics we may have purchased a Hot Springs spa. As it was we went with an Arctic because the sales people there made us feel comfortable and non-pressured to buy today because the sale ends tommorow. Greg

Ours from Arctic took that long (at least). We were fit to be tied by the time we finally got it. However it was well worth the wait.

I don't think comparing one person's income to what another person's income is is a way to say if one is un-ethical or not. However having said that at $150k anywhere in US is well above the average. For Virginia the median income is just over $50k a year. If you are providing the customers with what they expect in terms of levels of service and satisfaction then you can expect to make more. A cut of steak costs the same for resturant a and b but, if you are paying $20 bucks at one place and $50 at another, I would expect that you are paying for the more dining experience and preperation than that cut of meat. http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2005-11-29-wage_x.htm

Thanks again...cut and pasted this into an email and sent it home. My TA has been stable in what the strips show as the target range and I have not had to adjust it for quite a while now. I am a noob at all this so you may have to bear with me. When we first filled the tub and had the water tested at the store they gave us the start up dosing. Then for the next month or so, I struggled with the chemicals they gave us, which was the chlorine granuals, the oxidizer, hardness (increase/decrease dont remember which), TA increaser and PH decreaser. I was always trying to raise the TA and PH by using the TA increaser which also seemed to raise the PH. However to get the PH high enough the TA would be too high. That is when I bought the PH increaser and started using it to increase just the PH. Since that time the TA has remained pretty stable and I just have to keep using the PH increaser weekly. I will have to get the Taylor kit you recommended to get some actual numbers on what the TA is though. Right now it is just an acceptable range on a color chart to me. I will have to discuss the Clorox with the wife. I have never witnessed one of her reactions to it, I just know that since we have been married I have been forbidden from using it in the laundry. No...I did not destroy something of her's prior to that by using bleach.

Thanks Richard, This is the type of information I had been seeking in my questions. Now which of the taylor kits should I get for testing, as I am only using strips right now? At what level should I be maintaining my chlorine? And from what I understand from the above I should testing and adjusting prior to and not after soaking? I had been testing 1x per week, bringing the chlorine up to the high end of the scale, then adding 2 oz of the Oxidizer and letting the tub circulate for an hour. Then after each soak adding .5 oz per person of the Oxidizer. This is a 343 gal spa that 2 people use 5-6 x per week. It has an ozonater and the N2 cartridge, after each use and addition of the Oxidizer I circulate the tub for 1/2hr. It is also on a 4x1hr per day filtration cycle. What changes (if any) should I make to my proceedure? (PS I can't use clorox as the wife is alergic to it) Lastly I asked the dealer about my PH reading which I have trouble maintaining, it always seems to be on the low end of the scale and I add 2 to 4 oz of increaser per week. The dealer stated that this was not unexpected with the Ozonator and N2 system, yet reading the boards most people seem to have trouble keeping their PH down. Is what the dealer telling me true or do I have something else going on?

This question was very similar to the question that I asked in Dichlor for Dummies Redux. When asking that question I too tried to find the MSDS and finally had to contact a friend who deals with this on a daily basis, so the links below will take you to two pages of the MSDS I put up on my website. If you need other pages of the 9 let me know what to look for. As for my question, I have and N2 cartridge, and Ozonator in a 350 gal tub. I put in 56% Clorine 1x a week and 1/2 oz of the Brill Oxidizer per person with each use. My wife has a reaction to Clorox. I have trouble keeping my PH up. My TA remains stable. I know I need to get a better test kit and am only using the strips at this point. At the end of a week the clorine barely registers on the strip. From other threads it seem like I should be adding clorine more often. Is this the case? http://www.nightop.com/images/MSDS1.jpg http://www.nightop.com/images/MSDS2.jpg

I started to post this in the other thread by this same type of topic title but decided to start a new thread as to not hijack that one: I have been following this thread and I am now unsure if I am doing things correctly. I have an Artic Glacier 343 US Gal. We are using a disposable filter. We have a Nature2 Spa Purifier and an Ozone unit. Basically I have been adding about 2 - 2.5 OZ of some 56% Dichlor made by Brilliance once a week and 1/2 oz per person of Brilliance Oxidezer after each use. On a weekly basis I have also been adjusting (mainly UP) the PH and TA levels. The TA level seems to have stablized and I have not hade to mess with it but the PH level seems to always be low. My question after reading through the other thread seems to be around when and how much Dichlor to add. It sounded as if I should be adding the Dichlor after each use and not the Oxidizer. I am getting ready to drain the tub this weekend as the water has been in it for 4 months and has remained crystal clear. However if I am doing things wrong I want to find out now and get a fresh start with fresh water. Greg

I love soaking in the AM. The problem I have with the morning soaks though are that I loose all motivation, especially if it is a day off.

I don't know anything about electical codes and what is required however: If your current one does not have the GFIC you will need that. As for the rest of it I don't know. For running the electical from our breaker box to another breaker box with GFIC and from there to the hot tub cost us $850 plus permits. So, the $630 looks pretty good to me.

I am going to go against the flow here. We bought one for our tub and it is now being used under the outdoor carpet. While the do seem to work as advertised on keeping the heat in and such, I found that mine hindered the cleaning cycles. We have some trees that seem to always be spitting something. There are these small leaf type things that get in the tub and if we left the bubble float on they never seemed to get cleaned out by the skimmer. The blanket just seemed to hold them all in place. I will say however we had the same type thing on our above ground pool, for it it was called a solar blanket. For the outdoor pool it worked very well at retaining heat, and maybe even aided in heating the pool.

1. Check to see if it is dark out yet. 2. Get neekid. 3. Put on robes. 4. Let our guard dogs out (Yea right...the big chickens) 5. Lift to cover. 6. Dump in the scent for the night. 7. Take off robes and jump in. 8. Turn on pumps and lights 9. Sit back and enjoy 10. When ready to get out..... 11. Turn on filtration cycle 12. Pull cover half over 13. Get out and get a towel to hold up for the wife. 14. Get towel for self. 15. Throw 1oz of Oxidizer into tub. 16. Get Disco (our floating duck) out of the tub. 17. Close the tub up and head to bed. 18. Sleep a blissful nights worth of sleep.

I too will put in a good word for Arctic. We have the Glacier and love it. My wife's sister has the Kodiak. They have had theirs for over a year and it is because of their satisfaction that we went with the Arctic brand. We did look at other brands, but that first hand information from a trusted source is what sealed the deal for us. In the 4 months or so that we have had ours we have only noticed about a $20/Mo increase in our electric bill, and that is using the spa at least 5 nights a week. The one that that I have noticed though is that even though we wet tested the spa(s) and made our choice on which model to purchase based on that, the more we use the spa, the more we find that the positions that we thought we would use the most, are actually not nessesarily the postions that we use. That however is something that you can only learn with extended use, and while we are not using what we thought we would, there are enough jets and ways to use them that the therapudic value that we were looking for in the purchase of a spa is more that there.