sl3238 Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Anyone know why my FC and TC would rise after a non-chlorine ( Leslie Pools Fresh N Clear) shock ( tested about 2 hours after the shock)...My FC went from 2 to 4...My TC went from 3 to 4... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chem geek Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Non-chlorine shock (MPS) will interfere with the CC test and register as CC. It might also bleed through to the FC test, though that is more rare. There are interference removers you can get, but they are for FAS-DPD chlorine tests (such as Taylor K-2006) and it sounds like you are using plain DPD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quantumchromodynamics Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 You started with 2 ppm FC and 1 ppm CC for a total of 3 ppm TC. The non-chlorine shock could have released the 1 ppm of combined chlorine to make it free chlorine. That would raise your FC from 2 to 3 ppm and would make your TC = 3 ppm. Since your new FC (4 ppm) = TC (4 ppm), you shouldn't have any CC. The MPS could be registering as 1 ppm CC, which would make a TC of 4 ppm. If you're not using FAS-DPD, then you could have enough test error to account for the difference. Also, MPS will oxidize some chloride to chlorine, although I don't think it would be enough to register on a test. HSO5- + Cl- --> SO42- + HOCl The standard electrode potential E0 of KHSO5 = 1.85V The standard electrode potential E0 of Cl2 = 1.36 V [Edit] I should have given the E0 for HOCl, not Cl2, as Richard shows below. [End edit] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chem geek Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 HOCl + H+ + 2e- ---> Cl- + H[/sub]2[/sub]O ..... E0 = +1.482V Generally, the MPS doesn't oxidize chloride to chlorine, or not very quickly though thermodynamically it is favored. That is how it persists to oxidize other chemicals before chlorine does. Adjusting for typical concentrations, E = 1.15V for the chlorine reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quantumchromodynamics Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 This reference has this in the "Blending Oxone" section: Sodium chloride can be used if some conversion to active chlorine is desired, provided the blend is pH buffered to avoid evolution of chlorine gas, Of course, this is not the same as what happens in a hot tub, but I thought it indicated that some chloride would be converted into chlorine. I don't think it would be much in any case. Also, note that there are some "Multifunctional" shock products that contain MPS and dichlor, such as "DuPont Pool Care Multifunctional Shock", which is 15 % Sodium dichloro-s-triazinetrione. Dupont MSDS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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