SpaMan

Did you buy it? You should have it was a great deal!

Would ya mind backing the claim up with a name and phone number of who you spoke with as I have been talking to the major dealer in Chicago and he personally would like to know exactly who you are talking about. It just doesnt seem wise to spend thousands of dollars to have product sitting on your floor, and then not offering to sell it. If an employee is doing this he or she needs to be fired immediately. In every business plan you do your flooring and each product should pay a certain amount per square ft each month and when the product fails to produce such figures its time ot rotate it out, but not before making an honest effort to offer the items for sale. What you are saying very much compares to going to a dealer who carries two brands of cars and then the dealer says "ah you dont want that brand of car as they fall apart and our service on them sucks" You story is like a local spas builders tubs it simply doesnt hold water. So repeat it as often as you like it still doesnt make sense.

Hey , Where are you from? The dealer can make a difference, however Cal is making Spas better than ever before , no jet back orders, excellent warranty and quality control is unprecidented. Dont let some dude who isnt happy with his local dealer make your decision for you. Here in Denver I can tell you were #1 in the business and the same holds true in Minnesota and Vegas. The problems you may see being complained about is are mainly the problematic dealers that still exist. The reason Cal Spas takes so much grief is because it lends its name to its Dealers. Please remember that every manufacturer has problematic dealers. I would be happy to help you with any pricing that you may have questions about.

They have all had problems at one time or another, the difference is how each company deals with and takes care of the problems. Some companies get right on it , others deny and hide their problems. Thats the difference.

All lies as its the dealer that has 17 locations, his lack of pushing Cal Spas has nothing to do with jets falling out a simple fact of the matter is that he is currently buying at better rates from another factory possibly getting some sort of flooring plan that costs nearly nothing. I tried to transfer a fifteen thousand dollar deal to him that I sold to one of the Broncos, who has a house in the Chicago area, and he was so arrogant he wouldnt even deliver it. So the Bronco had to go buy from him directly. I can surely imagine that the factory has got to have a plan to yank the line from this guy. The Avalon series is a rockin tub our response has been phenominal and people love it because theres so much to it yet the price is is a great value on every model. Hundreds of complaints about the factory or the dealer?

I sit here and laugh at the very thought that someone even would think its possible for any factory to ever even produce that amount of spas a day, I can only wonder where that bogus lie came from , I will definately say that we absolutely positively sell more spas in Colorado and Minnesota than any other company out here, and yes sales are up, and yes we are advertising heavily. as far as prices being down thats just not so as we took a slight price increase in January. Oh and yes Hot Spring is still our number one competitor they do build a good product.

HMMMMM I think so, so let me get this streight, if your stealing a stereo dont walk if they are chasing you? J/K Of course your exactly right, I dont know how and when the spa industry became a swapmeet , but evidentally if you go out and shop its back and forth like a poorly run used car lot.

Definately! as everything on that spa has value. for instance if I were to mention that everyone of our jets are adjustable and my competitor fails to mention it, he missed an item that adds value (as small as it may be) I strongly believe in price integrity! too often I see salesmen in the industry giving away money to make a deal, instead of reitterating the value and reason for the higher costs. I strongly believe that if a salesman knows that his product is worth what its tagged at and holds his ground and shows the value and reason for different costs, then your profit margins can stay stable without dropping your britches to buy a sale. Too often salesmen give away money to make a deal simply because its not their money they are giving, if a $500 drop will get the sale and theres nearly no penalty for the $500 to the salesman why wouldnt he give it away? If you take $250 of that $500 from the salesman how often will he drop? NEVER! Its all about integrity!

cheapskate!

Come on now an old dog like me? all those things are as natural as breathing. Learning about your "prospects" is all part of qualifying them into their needs and wants.

I believe that its not the how but the what you apply, as I know a salesman that says almost nothing and spends most of his time looking at the cieling , looks and occasionally points and a feature of teh product, hands in pockets, throws in a laugh now and then but his numbers are very impressive. I tried his method and the consumers got offended. Another guy I know has the customer sold on our product by his presence and aura before even showing any spa , by that time its just a matter of which one. So they have applied the very elements that work with their personalities each being very different in style but both top performers when it comes to sales.Me myself I am a quick informative guy that qualifies them quickly offers them the deal at hand, and if they arent ready by that time then they dont have enough info. so I gotta find what it is that they need to know to make their decision to buy from me.

not sure I understand, your point, as every company in the industry has "sales training" many who have been in the industry for a long length of time are very comfortable. So you typed all this for what? My theory is that the only reason consumers dont buy is because they dont have enough infromation to make the decision , Hence the salesman is obligated to educate them to that point where the consumer has enough info. that they say "write it up" if at any time the salesman stops providing valuable information and options, the consumer is obligated to find a reason to ask for walking papers, and thats when the excuses start to roll, "we have to measure" I call "Bu!!$h!T" how many people dont know how much room they have? unless its an impulse buy they darned well know how much space they have. Bottom line in sales is you know how to sell or you strive to learn and as their success rate increases they realise what it takes for their individual presentations to work , everyone is different and everyone sells product differently, so a text book lesson in sales in my opinion is helpful but not a tell all remedy that will make every saleperson successful. good luck guys!

I lock the door after the customers enter and swallow the key this usually keeps em in the store for 8 to 12 hours.

I have a hot wife as well, will ya fly us out too?

The house has been cleaned so we may now become an informative board , no need to dwell on it stop whining and lets move on already.

Certainly you guys arent suggesting that the Arctic cabinet is totally sealed, are you? When you utilise all the heated air in the cabinet thru your venturi's where does the air come from? The statement of putting a California made spa in cold climates is just ignorant as I live in Denver and the majority of tubs sold here are from California. In my opinion anyone who would even think of plumbing more jets later is a fool, theres too many variables , such as will the pump support such extra jets and still have the desired volume of water flow thru the jets? If the answer is no, then you must add another pump is the pack and topside equipped to handle such an add on? I would just upgrade at the time of purchase and let the manufacturers do the desired changes, as drilling holes in the field can be very tricky and if you mess that up you may end up turning your spa into a planter. Good luck!

To myu surprise the Avalon series has taken off to an amazing start , sales have sky rocketed on this new product and I must admit I am not on efor change and sneered at the Avalon series but I gotta admit they perform very very well. Good luck! <<<Cal Spas Of Denver Employee

Actually the 502 is fairly large and does not overflow easily as the height was taken fron the foot well and not the top of the spa, if the 4 using the spa were very large there is potential for over flow, but I think in most cases theres no reason to be concerned about over flow. My customers who own this tub absolutely love it and I'm confident you will also. Good LucK!

HAHAHHAHHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHA! AILMENTS!!!!! HAHAHAHAHHA! WHAT A LINE OF CRAP!!! NEXT YOU WILL PROBABLY SAY FULL FOAM IS BAD INSULATION< OH WAIT!! HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA AILMENTS!! GOOD ONE JIM VERY FUNNY! I CANT STOP SHOUTING AND LAUGHING AT THIS STATEMENT!

Roger, you do realise your arguing with one person dont you?

I ask: How many profiles is one person allowed on this forum?

Roger well written and understood! He is so confused by this that he actually believes he's right. He seems to want us to think you don't have to replace the air in the cabinet from an outside source, when all reality thats the only place to get the replacement air, and of course there's no possible way to instantly heat that outside air. This being the reason almost all manufactures have steered away from the air blower, unless it is a heated air blower and thats a whole different story. But you my friend are right on the mark. Anyone checked the ETL website for a listing recently? I can save ya time its not there.

DOC, You forgot profesional spa /hottub litigation witness! No Jim this kind of advcertising is forbidden here but you do it anyway? My Webpage There you will find the truth and truly great products or try ]

He now claims the spa to be defective! HAHAHAHHAHAHA! Arent they all?

He cant help himself! EKE I am sorry for posting here but my hats off to you for seeing thru the bullstuff. Good luck to you and which ever spa you chose. -SpaMan~