spatech (the unreal one)

They may have varying ways to filter but they all should do fine. They all should use similar ozone. Though there may be some differences and one may mix better than another I think you'll see some fading over time on the bottom cover on all to some degree. I'm a big ozone fan and you'll be more concerend with the color of your water than the color of the bottom side of your cover. They all may have marine grade stereos but I wouldn't get one at all. Those marine grade stereos may sound fine in the showroom but there is a reason they only come with 1 year warrantees; they just don't hold up well and anyone who tells you otherwise is just telling you what you want to hear. My advice would be to skip that option. If the Sundance stereo appeared more durable it's because they make it look more durable but I doubt it's any better than the others out there.

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He is right about the initial water being cold. Turn on the pumps as you're getting in and it'll be warm by the time you take your seat. If you go away you can turn your temp down a little but I wouldn't turn it down to 80º. I wouldn't turn it down at all to be honest but if you feel the need turn it down to 92 or 95º but not 80º. BTW, to get an idea of how well it's insulated try this. When you close the cover and actual the temp is 102º, turn the spa temp down to 92º. Go to bed and check the next morning to see the temp. I suspect it'll still be above 92º. Keep it set at that and see how long it really takes to fully drop to the 92º setpoint. This'll give you an idea of how well your spa is insulated.

All 5 statements are opinions although #4 can be also be considered as simply an unsubstantiated scare tactic. That is what you get when an internet salesman is grasping at straws as to why he's treading water in his attempt to become somebody in an insudstry that recognizes him as nothing more than a charlitan.

You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded. Who's gonna do it? You?

I am 5'10" and find most loungers are not too long for me but some are certainly more comfortable than others. The two spas you speak of are moderate depth so I don't think you'll have much of an issue there but there is no doubt that wet testing a lounge is always a wise thing to do to make sure you don't flaot and that you feel as relaxed as you expect to be.

It's one thing when you're flat out lying or stretchhhhhhhing the truth as you've been known to do but lately you've been making no sense at all, even to those of us who can read you like a book (a real book that is, not a pamphlet like that one you sell about how to make spas). I'm not sure if there is a health issue here but sometimes you ramble as if your meds are not kicking in (or are kicking in too much).

Did you know that Jim completely fabricates 73% of the statements he throws out there?

I don't blame them. They obviously realize that when they have an issue you either won't be around any longer to cover it or you'll be hundreds or thousands of miles away and can't/won't be there to fix it anyway.

You're right that the manufacturers have the specs on their sites but I couldn't beleive the weight difference between the Hot Springs and the Arctic. I looked at their sites and the Hot Springs already is factoring in the weights of the people so both those spas will be in the mid 6k pounds.

You're in a bind with the height difference between the two of you. She will need a booster seat on spas that are 38" I do believe and you'll find spas shallower to be not deep enough for you. You might as well get her a raft if you're thinking about a 42" spa. I would definitely avoid a spa with a lounge as they will be usless to here and ?able for you IMO. Those replaceable filters are not a great deal and if you talk to the dealer I think you'll find there is a standard filter that can be used in it's place. I wouldn't want to have to keep buying replacemtns either and since they are so fine they'll get gunked up and you'll have no choice but to replace them. I am not a fan of the marine grade spa steroes. They may sound fine in the showroom but they do not hold up well, are not a good value IMO and only come with a 1 yr warranty. These are offered to give the customers what they think they want but those of us in the industry would have our friends/relatives skip these stereo units if we were helping them get a spa. Hot Springs sells the most spas and has a very good reputation. Sundance sells many also and is also well respected. You can't go wrong on either.

and he embelishes because HE is a salesman.

Jim, HAAAAAAAAAAAA!! You've been banned from multiple forums for your actions. You've been caught on other boards posting questions and answering them yourself. Plus, let's not forget the whole "Hot Springs Hank" episode where you tried to pose as a bumbling Hot Springs person to make it look like their rep was clueless and then you jump in with the "answers". It's one thing to be a fraud, it's another thing altogether to then claim yourself to be pure! You are a sham!!! If your mother knew she'd be ashamed.

The first sentence makes sense. the second sentenec has nothing to do with teh question and everything to do with how Jim is jealous of teh major manufacturers that make his 1 spa/week irrelevent.

and we wish you'd leave but I know you won't unless forced to do so (like you've been numerous times before). You rely on these spa forums to try to lure people over to your sales trap of a website..

I hope you don't really expect and HONEST answer.

That may be true of you but Jim's son met a guy who said he was friends with someone who overheard a lady say her dealer maybe once did.

Like I've said sooo many times. I do pity Jim and especially his customers for falling for the snake oil sales presentation. In the end, we are responsible for our own actions and how we treat others. I just don't know how he can sleep at night knowing that he is posting such outright lies and misrepresentations. I sleep like a baby.

If you had only made good on your promises that site wouldn't exist. what a tangled web indeed. The REAL truth

Another hijacked thread by you know who.

"The intake of the blower averaged 128 degrees. The exit was 150's." There's a serious flaw in this statement. While it is true that compressing air will cause the temp of the compressed air to rise, immediately upon decompression the air temp will instantly drop to the original temperature (less what ever heat was lost through the pipes while in transit). Take a few more days and get back to us (try not to blame your underlings for this one).

But it's a glorious 60 seconds.

Now THAT is an informed spa shopper!!!

It appears that Jim is in damage control. He's grasping for an answer as to why his kit spa isn't giving the results he's always claiming. "I have been contemplating your post for a couple of days, because the numbers don't match our testing. At 40 degrees outside it sould be about 95 to 104 inside the cabinet, with just the circulation pump. In my testing in the coldest months here in CO at 5 below zero using a couple of hours of filtering with the main jet pump (to add heat and circulation) the temperature in the left rear cabinet (the farthest point from the jet pumps and circ pump) the temp at 3 inches from the shell and about half way up was 86 degrees average. This is about the coldest spot in the cabinet under a severe cold outside. When the jet pumps run a full cycle, the temperature in the cabinet by the pumps will reach 120 to 135 degrees about half way through the second cycle, depending on the time of running the jet pumps vs the air blower. Those jet pumps have a fan on them that also blows the heat to the rear of the cabinet to distribute the heat evenly and allow for cooler ambient. Normally we recommend running the jet pumps for a minute or two (up to 5 minutes in really frigid times.)before turning on the blower in winter, just to conserve the warm air barrier. The temperatures you are showing are less than what it should be by about 10 degrees average. So, I am wondering if your spa has an air leak. The fellow who delivers the spas is supposed to make sure all the seal is in tact upon arriving. All of the foil is stapled in place and the top is sealed as best as possible. The best way for me to tell is to go around the perimeter of the upper shell, where the lip over is and feel for any heat losses while the jet pumps are on high. Your hand is pretty sensitive to any warmth excaping. All it takes is a small leak to creat a convective heat loss. There is always a tiny amount of this, because it is a production machine and air is hard to seal super tight, but some times it gets missed by our guys and the leak is excessive. We also changed brands of Circulation pump and I am wondering if they produce lower heat? I will do a test on it as soon as I can. I didn't see any major differences in the specs and output of the pumps from the prior pumps, but I did not think there would be a heat difference. If you could, please check to see if you feel any heat loss from around the upper lip of the spa shell, while the jet pumps are running."

Jim, I know you think you're a God when it comes to spas but you don't give "expert information". You merely give one- sided opinions. Your rhetoric is what this person is trying to avoid.