Easygoer13

That is well below dealer cost for a new one, its a re furb tub

I know that from speaking to Nordic they are very close to being fully certified as CEC compliant. If so they must be well insulated.

Yes they really do, they have found what is "their" niche and stick with it, they are not trying to be a super high end but instead build a spa at a fair price that is a quality product that works well for people. What impresses me about them is their bottom which is very good, the fact that they use all pressure treated wood in the frames, the components they use are from the best makers in the industry, The shell while not as pretty as a acrylic is very durable. For me they are just a nice tub for the dollar.

Mike, There is a very big difference more so in the company's that build and back your spa. A nice round tub will of course look very much alike but the fit and finish will be different as will the quality of cover and components that make up your spa. I would make sure all of the spas can be wired to 110 or 240 volts since you mention heating I think having the option is important to you. You spa will perform the same on either but the heater will go from a 1.0 or 1.5kw to a 4.0 kw or more depending on your wiring. Check the brands reputations and you will see who seems to stand behind their products long term and those who have earned their reputation for not doing so as well.

Nordic owners who post here seem to be very Happy with their spa. The Joke is one of the few who loves to throw stones at them but at the end of the day they make a solid tub that use's some of the very best components in the industry.

Diamante has spas that are as large as the Cal spas, unsure about the quality but from what I have seen I would say they are at least on par with the Cal and you should be able to be under 10,000.00. Sundance is a upper end spa that you are going to pay more dollars for.

That is title that is earned and not just bestowed upon you without its due merit....

That would be fine and it sounds reasonable enough but if you go back as you suggested others do and apparently have it is fairly easy to see how this turned into something it was not intended to be. In your first post you state you really do not know much about Marquis but you than proceed to make comments that are inaccurate and instead of just letting it go and being humble you escalate into something more, Marquis was purchased by the employees over 8 years ago and that is really one of its strengths but I am unsure how it matters today, they have not used Gecko controls for many years and I believe when they did it was only on limited basis which by the way doesn’t D-1 still use them nothing wrong with Gecko by the way. And it seems you conveniently over look questions that are raised. I am sure that spa rating site was not to pleasing to you. So I wish you a happy and healthy new baby , I am going to bite my tongue after that.

Again spoken like a true traveling Carney who makes huge assumptions while knowing nothing of the person their speaking to and most of the time knowing even less about the product (forget knowing the competition) their selling that week, again you don't know me so stop playing the road show vagabond all knowing guru and stop with your to good to provide service to someone on a showroom floor, that testing of customers water is beneath you, more likely your incapable of it. You with all your wealth of knowledge as it is displayed here, along with you arrogance is what a traveling sales man is just someone who can't hack providing the long term service of a customer and who can run away from a town as fast as they blew in with the hope the check clears and you have bus fare to the next stop. Thank for being the definition of what many think of road show guys.

Hey traveling road rip off , take the money and leave town boy, You mentioned three brands funny thing is I have been offer 2 of the three you mention but after looking at them and speaking to friends who have in the past or currently carry the lines would not trade them for Marquis, I do believe all of the spas in the group among the best with Marquis being every bit their equal or in my opinion sometimes a better over all spa.

One person in this conversation holds bias to a brand, thats you. I sell everything and will never make nor lose a sale for what I type on this board. I have never claimed Marquis was not a good spa, I have just explained the benefits of the circ pump which the top three manufacturers use. A man named Tom who opened the first spa store in Colorado over 30 years ago added a brand without a circ pump and in exact words explained to me that "Even though it costs more to run I wont have to keep replacing the circ pumps"....now I have even admitted it goes out frequently...but you somehow fail to agree with EVERYONE who doesnt wear blinders to other manufacturers and has been mind washed by one brand-spas using circ pumps cost less and are easier to manage...do the pumps fail more frequently-yes....does using a 56 frame pump less in an on off standpoint to heat the water wear on pump more....OFCOURSE. You can call me a carny, I call myself a carny. I just choose to have teeth and dress nice. You can make fun of my traveling profession, but dont pretend that just because I sell different brands does not mean I mislead my customers. I like you sell my product, you mislead this board when you try to keep Marquis in a quality competition with d1 sundance and hot springs. Actually you are pittifully slow in your thinking, I mentioned all of the spas in the discussion were well made, Your touting of a circ pump as an end all to everything is just narrow minded and wrong. None of the brands you mentioned have the warranty of the Marquis for me personally I think the Marquis and D-1 are the best over all in build quality but others would disagree. I am sure there is one brand that you mentioned that you won't be showing the underside or the equipment area on it as it simply does not measure up. by the way who is largest Dealer of spas in the Denver area do you even know?

Steve, Yes that's why I mentioned that the larger circ pumps came around to make up for all of the smaller pumps short comings. Beachcomber may have them in the 90's, Sundance just started using them last year on limited models and I am sure there are others who use them but as of now the small unit is far and away most widely in use. I still think the CEC is going to play a big role in what ultimately will be "industry standard".

Tony, That's well said and much like what I mentioned in earlier posts, I did state that for me personally I would rather have the larger 56 frame pump filtering than the small circ pumps and again like you. I mentioned that both ways can work. It is just that when you get people stating things that are untrue or to suit this weeks story it what bothers me. I am wondering what CEC is going to go with and if the new larger circ pumps now being used are going to meet their code. I think many makers are still waiting to find out what the uniform policy will be as of now it is still not clear.

You don't know me so watch you mouth, What I do not like is anyone who speaks about things like an authority when it is only to suit their personal agenda and like all traveling carneys which that is all you are, You lack the ability to speak credibly about anything using examples or facts you just spew your opinions as they were gospel. Never did you address or even attempt to refute anything I said all you did was brag about how much money you make, hummm lets see that would come from very the unknowing consumer who listens to your lies as they are told with passion and conviction in much the same way as the snake oil salesman of the old west. Put any of the spas you mentioned in side by side test and see top to bottom who comes out on top. so go and count your pennies and try and forget about all of those you just took advantage and hope that the next bus comes quickly to take your next road show and the promises of more riches and as far considering another brand I would not take a step backwards to the lesser quailty products that you mention, actually there fine tubs but certainly no better as a whole than Marquis. Oh and by the way you incredibly slow minded soul the frog is available in many spas and they are private labeled for leisure time.

It is all the makers who are still using the small 6 to 8 gpm circ that you need to get out of 90's. I agree that the use of what many are calling a circ pump that is moving 35 gpm and more are a great way to go, however will they pass the new CEC ? time will tell. My comment was directed at the small circ pumps which for me I would rather take a high quality large 56 pump and filter on low speed with that, than rely on the little 6 to 8 gpm circ that many use, which are much more plentiful than those who are using the Hi Flow circ pumps.

steve, Those fish pumps as you call them are what Hot Springs uses and what you'll find on much of the Sundance line and on the Artisan line, Caldera lines among many others, I agree with you about the new larger pumps but I do not think you can all those a circ pump well you can but those are of a newer generation that were an acknowledgement of the smaller unit short comings.

This a false statement, Circ pumps fail much more than a large 56 frame pump, also lets not forget about water turn over, you have a small circ pump that if everything is absolutely perfect will filter 6 to 8 gallons of water per minute and will not break the surface tension of the water, test this for yourself drop a piece of thread into a spa with a small circ pump and come back in a week and see if its not still floating on the surface, if the main pump have not been turned on you will find it there, using a larger 56 pump or you can filter on low speed about 65 gallons of water per minute. Both systems have upsides and downsides but energy efficiently and the lasting of pumps are NOT the credible reasons. I mean there are so many things the traveling circus clowns sometimes referred to as salesman want to discuss if it fits their agenda for that week but forget about telling customers that a Marquis has a transferable warranty, that the cabinet warranty is for 7 years and unlike a Sundance or others it actually protects the owner for things like fading and warping, cracking the things that ACTAULY MAY occur in the backyard and do NOT have loop hole to call them weathering and exclude them from coverage. Or like a heater that while many love to tout about a 5 year no fault heater warranty on their spa and seem to get giddy that's it no fault, Marquis is no fault on the heater, motors, controls, the whole pack. I mean you could on and on but the bottom line is top to bottom Marquis is as good as any tub on the market.

Your traveling vagabond, You admit you know very little about a product but you do what MOST EVERY traveling conman errrr salesman does spew half truths and spin tales to promote what ever your trying to make a buck off for the next few days. I am working with some guys right who are old Sundance folks and they have told me they can't believe.... no ...I am going to to stop there as I am not going to turn this into something it should not be but please if your not up to date about a product than keep your opinion to things you actually know about. Telling tales about a 8 year old story like a employees buying a company which is a huge plus by the way but as it is so old it is useless to talk about it now. But if that's the best you got it makes sense that's why you travel god forbid you have to look the person in the eye down the road when your pearls of wisdom your shared turn into empty holes.

No problem just replace them will less comfortable smaller jets that offer less therapy and your set. Oh and by way next time you visit a massage pay double or triple the price and a 4 to 6 hands to work you instead of the way it is normally done deep therapy one muscle group at a time.

I am confused, where is anyone being bad mouthed ?

yes they were but its old news, like Hot Springs and fires they both happened years ago.

DO NOT BUY MARQUIS SPA'S My reward Marquis Spa broke down, and I can not get any repairman to fix it. I called the Marquis Spa company and they told me the dealer is the one to fix it. I called the dealer 6 weeks ago, and still waiting to find out when they are going to repair the tub. I only had the spa over 40 months, and they are saying it might be thousands of dollars to fix it. rodney Rodney, There is something fishy about your story, Marquis will always honor the warranty to its full term. Dealers can be lax about things from time to time but your story as its told is very vague. If you get me the serial number to your spa I can try and help you get your problem resolved. lol... odd thing is you have a spa that is close to 4 years old there is a person here complaining about a brand new D-1 they can't get fixed. Again if you get me the serial number I can help you.

Yes its true, they build a very nice tub and are owned by huge corporation which offers up sides and also down sides. McDonalds sells the most hamburgers but I am not sure they make the best burger. Hot Springs make a fine product but there are other worthy makes to choose from.

Yep you are a traveling show guy, out of touch with accurate information about competitors product but why let that stop you from pushing your own product/agenda. It is so easy for guys like you to tell a customer what ever suits your need at the present moment as you are out of town and out sight when what you shared is less than real. When and who bought out Marquis ? and they have used Balboa for a long long time. ever look at how one is built ? D-1 and Marquis equipment area are the 2 most of like that I know of in the industry and please there credible options to a circ pump for filtering each offering some pros and cons.