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Thanks Chas - good call. I actually am going to go get into both tubs tomorrow, so hopefully that will help me sort it out

hey folks, first-time spa buyer in seattle, the two that have caught my eye are the hot springs vanguard (about $9500) and the caldera hawaiian (haven't got a local quote on it yet, but it looks like around $6000?)... i like the moto-massage feature of the vanguard, but don't know if it's the sort of thing that i would find "gimmicky" after a few months of use... anyone have any pros/cons of these tubs, or think one is a huge mistake? or heck, have comparable tubs to suggest? thanks very much!