Amanda
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I can get a used 6 months Clearwater Ultra-Sage 9100 for $6K. What do you think, is it a good deal? Seller says he paid over $10K for it...
How much does it cost new?
With my budget $6K can I get something better new?
Thanks
6K is a good price for an Ultrasage 9100... especially at 6 months. One thing I would check up on if you are looking into any used spa is the chemical care system it has on it and find out what they have done to care for the water. I personally would not get any spa of any kind if it has been neglected. You may want to check out your local Clearwater dealer to see what is available new and what the differences would be for you and if those differences are worth it. You should be able to get a new spa for 6K from your dealer but I would be very suprised if you could get that spafor that price new. It will help to be able to share what options are on it also. If he paid over 10K for it... it should have some cool "bling bling" of some sort. Some slightly used spas for sale by owners can be amazing deals. The cost of a new 9100 varies. It depends on what the local dealer is offering it for. Over a few years I've seen it range from below 8K and up depending on what options were chosen. That lounge in particular gives a really nice leg massage. If you are looking for a "family tub" with lots of space for children, another model may fit your needs better as this one is meant more for adult therapy. I give it a thumbs up if the design is what you are looking for and the spa is in good condition.
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A syphon or aquarium gravel vac can work just fine. You wouldn't loose any chemically treated water if you emptied it into a bucket and then filtered out the sand from it with some good ol' fashioned pantyhose while you dumped the water back into the spa from the bucket.
This brings me back to the good ol' days when I was a kid in Corpus Christy. My grandpa used duct tape on everything- I still believe just about anything can be fixed with it. He'd be proud if I could think of a way to encorporate duct tape in a home-made spa vac. Hmmm... (wheels turning) LOL!
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Pretty much the more you use your spa, the more you have to do to keep it clean. The cleaner you are before you use the spa, the less stuff you have to do to maintain the water. The outdoor shower thing is a great idea! I encourage people to rinse off before getting in. It is a good rule of thumb to follow. Something that may encourage the teens to clean off first is to set a rule... if something happens to the water- their job is to empty/clean/and refill it ON THEIR OWN. Before you know it, they will be encouraging their friends to rinse off before they get in. Ask your local spa dealer for some tips. Each store offers different sanitizing products. Local folks know your water better than out-of-staters. Once you haev found a dealer that will offer water testing and helpful tips... stick with them. Every person will give you a different way to care for your spa water and it can become confusing. Best wishes for clean and clear water in the future.
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I'm glad this topic was started to help consumers know what to look out for as far as sales "tactics" to get you to do what the salesperson wants you to do. People are NOT SHEEP! They do not need to be "herded" or convinced. Sales "tricks" are hopefully becoming a thing of the past. This industry in particular needs some guidance in this area in my opinion. A topic like this will help people (consumers/ researchers) to understand what to watch out for and encourages professionals to think twice about how they represent themselves, their company and the industry.
still... sign language is a cool thing to know. It has enhanced my life beyond measure and I encourage others to check it out.
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First timer hit the nail on the head. There are plenty of brands out there... some local dealers, others "big box" stores, others direct manufacturers. Comfort is the perfect word. I think comfort is important not only in the spa you choose but also the company. Comfort when speaking to the representative and the service dept., comfort in using the spa, comfort in knowing you'll be taken care of if you need anything in the future. Many regular posters in here (not all) will give a little plug for the brand they sell and throw in a couple of other brands to have it be "balanced" but the "Rolls Royce" of all spas is the company that provides the right fit for you and how you will be using your spa along with meeting and exeeding your expectations for support and service. Take your time and look into all of these facets and do not be hasty in your decision to purchase. Take some time and check out your local manufacturers first. Dealers with a good track record and ones that haven't changed brands numerous times may provide good support. Hang out in the showroom for a while and see how they treat people. The best spa in the world would not be in my yard if I wasn't going to be treated well. Also, anyone who insults others is a direct turn off in my opinion. Best of luck in your research. Let us know how it goes.
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Having a good foundation is imperative. A fellow that I know also built a deck similar to "sinkers" (great pics!). I would also suggest something similar to this.
Porkweeze: If you have any concerns about the delivery crew shimming your spa for you and how that would affect the warranty claim in the future, you may want to speak to your service dept. regarding this issue and have it in writing that if something happens... it would be covered.
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This person's question has never been answered. Although the debate about wood vs steel is a very good one, perhaps a new thread should be made. I do not know much about the spa in question in the topic but I would think the original poster would appreciate answers to HIS question.
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C'mon matt with a 600k dollar house you couldn't get something new? j/k Congrats on your 1st tub. I like how you took a picture of your first test strip lol. Happy tubbin.
Those were great pictures! Good job on the research and footwork that it took to be able to get this accomplished! Your perseverance paid off for sure!
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Hello
I have a spa dimension one with a continuous system of ozonator to clear the water.
My problem : when the temperature of the air is higher then the temperature of the water, the ozon system stop to work.
What have i to do to clear the waterin this case? More chlorine or are there other suggestions ?
If your filter system has a pump that runs on low speed a couple times a day, it is also a system that should "kick on" when the temp of the water drops below what you have it set at. So the pump runs on low to cycle the water through when the outside temp drops enough to make the pump kick on to keep the water warm. If I am to understand correctly, your ozone is functioning only when the pump is running in low speed. So is this what you mean by the ozone not working? The outside temp is higher than the spa water causing the pump not to run in turn causing the ozone generator not to be on.
If that is the case, you should have the option to run your filter for longer periods. Running your filter longer hours will keep the ozone on longer. It is good to use another sanitizer with an ozone system. Chlorine OR bromine OR nature 2 with a little chlorine.... any of these are good supplements to an ozone system. If you find you water has become cloudy, check how many hours your filter system runs, you may need to increase the hours. It is a good idea to follow the directions on the bottle of sanitizer (that you are supplementing the ozonator with) for "super-chlorination" to wipe out any bacteria that could be building up. Also... sanitation needs to be increased with increased usage. The more people in the spa, the longer it is in use, the more sanitizer you need. Check your filter often and make sure it is rinsed thouroughly on a fairly regular basis. I hope that helps!
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Are you missing your prospect's buy signals? As a professional salesperson you must continuously monitor your prospect's body language and adjust your presentation accordingly. By knowing your prospect's body language gestures you will minimize perceived sales pressure and know when it's appropriate to close the sale!
I can't really say that I follow an "outline" like this but this is a good guide line for people that do not understand body language. 13 years ago I learned sign language. At first it was all about the actual "sign" that was made by hands. As I learned more "signs"... it became an incredibly beautiful language to me. I started not even really looking at the signs as much as the persons entire body/expresion in association with the hand sign. I think this really helped me learn a lot about reading people. I don't really read people to "make a sale". I read people to make sure they are comfortable. Everything else will fall into place if it is meant to be. If I could make a suggestion to EVERYONE... sign language is completely worth learning for many reasons. Check out a book from the library or go online and see if you can learn a little here and there. You won't be dissapointed!
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How come it took you so long from the time the electrician came? Is that normal?
My hot tub was delivered today. The electrician is coming tomorrow morning. I was hoping to be in it tomorrow night. I take it that is unrealistic?
I can't wait to use it. This evening the girls and I each had a frozen strawberry daquiri and took turns dry testing each of the seats. It was fun but not the real thing.
Congrats to the new spas! I wish you happy tubbing!
Ron, you sound like you are pretty on the ball but I didn't want it to go without saying. On your list of stuff to do, I wanted to encourage to make sure whatever you put up for privacy is away from the spa, or removable (if it is close by) to make future access easier if needed. If you decide to use vegitation as a part of the barracade, use plants that don't loose a lot of foliage. It's less messy and will help keep your hard cover and spa water cleaner.
Some popular electricians can be booked out quite a way. Sounds like the daquiri's were nice! I hope for many happy get togethers for your friends and family.
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A decent mixture of air through the water stream coming out of the jet allows for a larger epidermal/muscle surface to be covered. To me, the difference is a stronger massage covering a larger foundation. It helps to eliminate that irritating "itchy feel" and not feel as "pinpointed" of a massage. You may find yourself adjusting the jets regularly to tell the spa exactly what kind of massage you want that day/night.
I'm sorry you are feeling let down about your spa purchase. But you are not alone... many people have done the same thing.
See if you can talk to your salesperson about ways to adjust your existing spa to help it give you the performance you are looking for.
As for the technical part ... I'll have to speak with someone in manufacturing to know what order all the parts go. Good question.
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Are you trying to imply pressure treated wood would make a better frame than galvanized steel? How did you come to that conclusion? If so I am interested in hearing an explaination of the benefits of wood over steel in this structural support application.
Personaly I think g. steel framing is the way to go but only if the framing doesn't go all the way to the ground where standing water (in rainy areas) can eat through just about anything. I love the look and smell of good quality wood, and here in the northwest just about everything is made of it. Wood/steel= personal preference. Everyone knows with wood, some maintenance is required. I've seen wooden sided spas last for around 2 decades and still look very nice because it was cared for properly and wasn't built touching the ground. I'm a low-maintenance person when it comes to spas. Endurawood siding, along with steel is simply stronger and longer lasting with less fuss.
Sorry (a bit off the topic posted), I couldn't help but mention this.
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I'm looking at buying a coast islander, I like the pool, but the biggest issue I possibly see is the small paper filter (25sqft) alot of spas I've seen seem to have 50 or 100 sqft filters. I've never owned a spa before so don't really know what I'm on about - just after some opinions. The spa has 18 jets and a 3 hp pump - is 25sqft liable to block up frequently? Any other issues I should be aware of? Is the filter size worth worrying about?
Thanks
Ben
It depends on how many gallons the spa has and how many gallons per hour the pump will be running. With a 25 sq ft filter, you may have to rinse it more often. Seems like the pump is small enough. Just keep in mind that when you have a few people use the spa, you will have to "keep up" on the filter cleaning a bit more.
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Yes i guess baller means macdaddy. Also it isnt even filled with water. Its been sitting in my garage unused for 9mnths, its a shame. The setup in my garage is not good. I own a condo so there isnt any yard room. So I put it in my garage. I built a deck for it in the garage and didnt realize there isnt any clearance room for the top. So basically if I want to use it I have to keep the top half way on or pull it all off then its extremely hard to get the top back on by myself. I should not have built the deck! Being that I had a roomate I was able to get help to put the top on and off. After the semester was over he graduated. So really i only used it for 4 mnths. But still I cant wait to own a house w/land or backyard to get the right setup with a hydraulic cover lifter.
As far as putting it in the paperr I might just have to go that route. I would deliver it if the price was right. I'd even ship it if the price was right.
Amanda about my description; I have about 3 years of sales experience, so that was the salesman i guess coming out of me. But there just isnt enough money is spa sales.
How funny! The way some salespeople are attacked at times (money hounds) or how they attack each other... you'd think they would all be rich by now! Best of luck to you in selling your spa and getting enough money for it. Oh, have you hooked up the spa since you had drained it months ago? Just wondering if it made it through the winter ok. As long as the pipes were completely emptied.. shouldn't be a problem.
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Hi,
Is there not one Sundance dealer on this forum? Wouldn't this be common knowledge for a Sundance dealer? I'm really surprised that this question was not answered.
Regards,
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I didn't want you to feel ignored... but I do not know the specifics of the system you are asking about. I am pretty sure there is a rep for them floating around here somewhere.
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Does any one know how Caldera's bottom is fashioned? I was told by the sales person that it is stapled to the wood frame which leads me to believe it is not a thick floor. Other than that, we are really pleased with the features and feel of the Caldera so I would appreciate any thoughts/comments/warnings!
A wooden framed bottom makes me wonder what happens if there is a leak inside? The wooden frame sitting on the plastic tray would have a great opportunity to soak up the water and possibly lead to dry rot, mold, mildew and such (at least around these parts in the northwest). I would hope that stainless steel staples would be used but punching holes in the thin plastic by means of stapling seems to me to leave something to be desired. I think stapling holes in the thin plastic foundation onto a wooden frame would automatically defeat the point of having a sealed plastic bottom to protect the insides of the spa in the first place. Strategically placed holes for drainage are very important though. If I were to choose a plastic bottomed spa... I would make sure that ALL of the bottom was plastic. The less wood (with the potential to rot out) = longer lasting foundation. I am very interested in the reasoning behind stapling to a wooden frame. Is it meant to last longer somehow or make the spa more durable? I can't figure it out.
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Well, I think what Chas is trying to say is not to believe everything you read. The last time I tried to get a car... I did the research and thought I had all the information down pretty well before I walked in. The dealership turned me all around and upside down and everything I asked for (trying to get a good deal of course) required the salesperson to "talk to the manager" again and again (2 hours of this and I was beginning to long for a spot by the fireplace at home with my kitty on my lap). I thought that what I found on the internet was good pricing only to find that the dealer couldn't come close to that because of "blah blah blah"- eloquent excuse after excuse. Or maybe they were just trying to wear me out... needless to say, I walked out without a car that day.
Even with the companies that are posting the prices on the spa... (if it wasn't a floor model priced as it sat) has ANYONE paid the price listed on the spa? MSRP... I'm sure there are a lot of MSRP's out there but what exactly does that mean? Manufacturer's suggested retail price- period. Does having this knowledge give you any leverage? How do you know that the price isn't just "made up" to make a deal look better by the folks who have the MSRP listed? How to you know the MSRP isn't inflated to make up for a dealers overhead? Ask the salesperson "Has anyone EVER paid that price?" Yes, there are going to be companies that overcharge no matter how much information you seek ahead of time... there are ways that they will make it "look like" a good deal to you by posting MSRP's and making the sale look incredible. I think it is important to keep this in mind. Sometimes having the price available to look at means nothing more than a starting point. If getting a starting point is important... it is easy to do. The FINISHING point is the bottom line in my opinion.
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If you read the whole post you will realize that creating an urgency in a truthful matter is a rightfull thing to do. I think you should shame yourself for not telling the truth even though it puts a little pressure.
Perhaps I miss-read your quote (something about double negatives). I thought you were saying it is GOOD to lie and tell someone you have only one spa left when you really have more than one just to create urgency. This is what I was in dissagreement with. I have nothing to shame myself about and any salesperson that takes the high road is good in my book. I feel telling the truth is the only way I can do my job right. There are plenty of salespeople out there that don't follow this. I am always going to hold on to the hope that these "sneaky people" will eventually be eliminated in the industry... but I've been told that will never happen.
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Hi Easeman61!
Good question. If it was me, I would want to find out if the spa had actually been used. If it was a running model on the showroom, you can double check the condition of the jets... make sure you are getting new filters and such while double cheking that the scratches being rubbed out as part of the deal on the order form. Where the spa has been would be a big deciding factor on the offer you may want to make. If it is just a"dry" floor model that was just recently tested... I wouldn't expect to save a lot more. Plus you may want to ask specifically about any changes in the years. Sometimes the new spas have a better quality control panel with better features... or improvements have been made in the materials used in maufacturing. A lot can change in a couple of years with a company. Parts accessability would be good to take a note of as well if suppliers have changed. Good luck!
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OK, I thought you said it was a link to your website not Hotspring. What year model is your spa? Does it have the single or double moto massage? Did you say it was a Baller Hot tub? Does that mean that you've had sexual intercourse in your spa?
I'm wondering if I have my recent "lingo" up to speed. Does Baller mean something similar to MacDaddy? If it referring to what Tyler is asking... I suggest to keep the water temperature down and make sure filteration is set at the highest setting.
Good luck Fundock. Local paper is the best way in my opinion. Then you don't have to be concerned about shipping/transportation/delivery. You may benefit from mentioning "You Haul" to your add. Ilove your description. Have you considered spa sales?
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I agree with low pressure but I also think it would be wrong not asking for a sale or lying that a particular spa is not the last we have in stock. Creating urgency creates positive pressure and knowing when to back off and probe a little more. It helps alot if you get to know the prospect before even giving features benefits, ect...
A sales training topic that expresses it's wrong [/i]not to lie about things??!!?? I am in complete disagreement with this. I think this "old school" thinking of creating urgency is exactly the kind of thing that turns people off. (In my opinion) An adult will make a decision to purchase something when they are good and ready and shouldn't be lied to in order to make it happen for the salespersons covenience/ pocketbook. I have told people that there is one spa left on a list when there is one spa left on a list- period... and that's it. Understanding someone's needs and matching a product up to it is one thing... lying to someone or manipulating/probing them into doing what YOU want is another.
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It will be very easy to MSRP's on the spa itself. This is a good suggestion.
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"On the HS system no matter what you turn on and no matter how many pumps you have, all the water goes through the filters. There is no bypass."
If the water is 100% filtered with no bypass... what happens if something (like a little hand or small child or a few strands of hair) is blocking the filter? Will it continue to create suction making it hard to pull off? I am under the understanding that the bypass was created primarily for safety.
The Best Spa For Decent Price
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A new spa from a local dealer with a good track record and a good support system. 6K is a good amount to get a simple high quality spa or a cheap spa with lots of flashy inexpensive options. Good rule of thumb many folks will agree... if it looks to good to be true... you know the rest. Take your time and make a list of the things that are really important to you. Think about the way you are going to use your spa and how long you intend to have it. Sometimes the initial cost may be higher than your original intention but may save you money in the long run if you plan on having the spa for a while. It may seem a bit tedious but good info to know how it is constructed and exactly what isrequired of you if something goes awry. Good luck in your research!