Circulation Pumps?

[Jack L]

Actually the Hot Springs works but with much less water filtering and with less flexibility than most others and it is non debatable. Case closed key thrown away and my Dad can whip your Dad and you have cooties.

You are 180 degrees wrong. That is the first time I've ever heard someone say HS has less filtering.....

[spatech (the unreal one)]

You are 180 degrees wrong. That is the first time I've ever heard someone say HS has less filtering.....

It do have less filtering when you compare the circ pump to the 2-speed pump Maquis uses. What you may be confused on is Hot Springs no-bypass means it filters more water when the jet pumps are on.

We REALLY need to kill this thread.

[thestallion]

You are 180 degrees wrong. That is the first time I've ever heard someone say HS has less filtering.....

Jack lets see you do have a basic understanding of math right ? Jack if you are looking to have some smoke blown up your a## I am sure there are many who are willing to do so. But here is the bottom line when the Hot Springs filters using the circ pump only one filter (about 30 sq ft) is being used and again depending on the size of your spa it will filter the body of water about 18 to 28 times a day . Now the larger pump will filter the water again depending on the size about 65 to 80 times a day and giving you the benefit of the doubt you do understand that 65 to 80 is more than 18 to 28 if not please go back and see your 3rd grade teacher and they can help you. My whole point to all of this was all along to simply say that they are several good makers of spas who all do things in a different way but for some reason many people here feel Hot Springs is the only way or the best way and in the real world that is simply not true. Again I am not saying Hot Springs is not a good spa that never was my intent but please to you and Shark-man you both seem to feel the need have some sort of superiority. Again Jack there are several good makers out there you do own one of them but is not the only one. It is interesting to note that no one disputed what was shared earlier about how you can build something cheaper in different ways. And we can go back and forth forever. Unlike Dan I am not telling you one is superior to the other just that both have valid and legitimate reasons as why you may want to do things one way or another.

[thestallion]

I hate to add to this but.......the one thing we don't know about this 65-80 times the water was turned over is how much of it was actualy filtered and how much goes through the bypass. On low speed all is sposed to go through the bypass. but I have seen many dirty filters that force the bypass gate slightly open allowing bypass.

Yes if you neglect either system they will not work properly. You will force water though the by-pass with a dirty filter and with the circ pump very little water will actually get filtered. With either you reduce the water that is filtered I think that is why it is such a nice thing when no matter the system you like that the filters are easy to get to and can be rinsed in just a few moments time so that the system no matter which one it can work as it is designed to do so.

It do have less filtering when you compare the circ pump to the 2-speed pump Maquis uses. What you may be confused on is Hot Springs no-bypass means it filters more water when the jet pumps are on.

We REALLY need to kill this thread.

Yes to both. Look I think YOU know that all I was saying is that both work and both can work very well. It just seems sometimes people throw out a question or statement and unless they hear what they want or if its not a product that you are involved with some feel the need to put the other down. With each of my posts I made sure to say look both work and each will have an advantage over the other. I very much appreciate what you said about the By Pass I think some people think it means all of the filters are working when the pumps are off when in fact it is only one filter that is actually being used. Again both can work in any spa if you take the time to rinse your filters every couple of weeks ( I know most will say monthly) you will with proper sanitation have clean water.

[sharkman009]

Jack lets see you do have a basic understanding of math right ? Jack if you are looking to have some smoke blown up your a## I am sure there are many who are willing to do so. But here is the bottom line when the Hot Springs filters using the circ pump only one filter (about 30 sq ft) is being used and again depending on the size of your spa it will filter the body of water about 18 to 28 times a day . Now the larger pump will filter the water again depending on the size about 65 to 80 times a day and giving you the benefit of the doubt you do understand that 65 to 80 is more than 18 to 28 if not please go back and see your 3rd grade teacher and they can help you. My whole point to all of this was all along to simply say that they are several good makers of spas who all do things in a different way but for some reason many people here feel Hot Springs is the only way or the best way and in the real world that is simply not true. Again I am not saying Hot Springs is not a good spa that never was my intent but please to you and Shark-man you both seem to feel the need have some sort of superiority. Again Jack there are several good makers out there you do own one of them but is not the only one. It is interesting to note that no one disputed what was shared earlier about how you can build something cheaper in different ways. And we can go back and forth forever. Unlike Dan I am not telling you one is superior to the other just that both have valid and legitimate reasons as why you may want to do things one way or another.

What cracks me up is I NEVER heard anyone say that Hotsprings way is the only way. I even made the comment that in the past I would have agreed with you. We all know from your responses what you believe and you clearly ARE saying one is superior to another. If you dont like being corrected then get your info right and nobody can correct it. You keep making the same mistake of grouping the Hotspring system with all circ systems and there is a HUGE difference. The 2 speed systems WILL keep the water filtered but most of it is overkill. Go ahead and try to tell me that most spas need to turn over 65 times in 24 hours.

Even on a commercial spa that has much heavier swimmer loads the NSPF recommended turnover is ONCE every half hour. And thats a spa that has people going in and out all day long.

I'll tell you one thing, you made a comment to me about throwing around insults, you need to go back and read your threads as anything I did say to you was in response to your smart a$$ comments. And just like this response. If you cant give a response without being insulting to people why dont you just keep your info to yourself.

[thestallion]

What cracks me up is I NEVER heard anyone say that Hotsprings way is the only way. I even made the comment that in the past I would have agreed with you. We all know from your responses what you believe and you clearly ARE saying one is superior to another. If you dont like being corrected then get your info right and nobody can correct it. You keep making the same mistake of grouping the Hotspring system with all circ systems and there is a HUGE difference. The 2 speed systems WILL keep the water filtered but most of it is overkill. Go ahead and try to tell me that most spas need to turn over 65 times in 24 hours.

Even on a commercial spa that has much heavier swimmer loads the NSPF recommended turnover is ONCE every half hour. And thats a spa that has people going in and out all day long.

I'll tell you one thing, you made a comment to me about throwing around insults, you need to go back and read your threads as anything I did say to you was in response to your smart a$$ comments. And just like this response. If you cant give a response without being insulting to people why dont you just keep your info to yourself.

I think you better go back reread everything. If I took something as insult that was not intended to be such I apologize. I think when I was being insulting I was very clear about it. Not that its a good thing. . But really I have never heard someone complain about having their water too clean or is filtered just to many times. The real deal is this. I started finding this whole thing a bit comical a while back. Shark-man I am sure your a good guy who is passionate about what you represent. All the best to you.

[sharkman009]

I think you better go back reread everything. If I took something as insult that was not intended to be such I apologize. I think when I was being insulting I was very clear about it. Not that its a good thing. . But really I have never heard someone complain about having their water too clean or is filtered just to many times. The real deal is this. I started finding this whole thing a bit comical a while back. Shark-man I am sure your a good guy who is passionate about what you represent. All the best to you.

Fair enough. Apology accepted

[Jack L]

What is so crazy is stallion goes on and on about things I said nothing about.....its like talking to a freaking mud wall. He never got my point because he didn't take the time to pay attention. No matter, this thread has gone well past its usefulness.. I'm not hear to argue pointless facts and I never made any statements of fact I know nothing about, but stated a couple points to which he seemed to get all excited about and feel the need to attack and insult, yet he would like to tell me facts he has no clue of. I guess I don't need to add any input to the message threads at this site because stallion has all the answers for everyone. Don't disagree with him unless you want to be attacked and insulted.

[spatech (the unreal one)]

No matter, this thread has gone well past its usefulness..

Hopefully we can ALL agree and end it here.

Anyone who responds futher needs some help.

[Dr. Spa]

[Guzz]

I'm just glad you've all kissed and made up

[grahamtasia]

It definately worth it and will make your life easier and save you money!! Get one while you can!!!

[Guzz]

It definately worth it and will make your life easier and save you money!! Get one while you can!!!

What, are you selling them?

[grahamtasia]

No, but, I reccomend them highly. They are good to have around.

[Brulan1]

No, but, I reccomend them highly. They are good to have around.

With that whole mess aside I still think both pumps have there good and bad. If you are not compfortable in your hot tub than trade it in or just don't buy it. If you have the money than just buy it if it looks good....

[Guzz]

With that whole mess aside I still think both pumps have there good and bad. If you are not compfortable in your hot tub than trade it in or just don't buy it. If you have the money than just buy it if it looks good....

I don't think anyone was uncomfortable with their spa, just asking opinions on circ pumps. Grahamtasia sells them

[grahamtasia]

I do not sell circulation pumps and/or anything for that matter. All I do is give consumers a personalized leisure consultation and allow them purchase what they want. I make it very easy.

[Guzz]

I do not sell circulation pumps and/or anything for that matter. All I do is give consumers a personalized leisure consultation and allow them purchase what they want. I make it very easy.

I know you don't sell anything....

[grahamtasia]

Circulation pumps make sense. It does'nt tear up your jet pumps and quietly and constantly circulates the water so it filtrates.

[Guzz]

Circulation pumps make sense. It does'nt tear up your jet pumps and quietly and constantly circulates the water so it filtrates.

A dedicated pump system is the way to go, My HO.

[Brulan1]

A dedicated pump system is the way to go, My HO.

I dont like the idea of a dedicated pump that runs 24=7. How long can a pump like that last? I dont like to picture my meter going 24-7 either. DO you like to see your meter going 24-7? Also I dont like the idea that you have to be in the spa pushing the water towards that pump for it to be filtered 100percent with the exception of Hot Springs Non-bypass. Do you like that idea of adding more chemicals because a Hot Tub cannot do 100percent filtration with all of the circulating pumps in the industry other than HS? I dont. I know that having one of the two motors running on low speed for 3-6 hours a day can cause 1 of the pumps to eventually fail but a circulating pump will fail quicker and the meter is running circles around you.

[spatech (the unreal one)]

I dont like the idea of a dedicated pump that runs 24=7. How long can a pump like that last? I dont like to picture my meter going 24-7 either. DO you like to see your meter going 24-7?

LOL, the meter does spin 24/7 but the circ pump is like having a 60-watt bulb on. The 2-speed pump may only be in 6 hrs per day but it uses much more energy while in use. AT BEST, the 2-speed pump might be equal to the circ pump on energy used but most think it's a bit more, not much and not worth arguing about. You make it sound like the circ pump uses more energy, not true.

As far as reliability, sure the circ pump probably won't last as long as jet pumps, I'll give you that. However, a 2-speed pump filtering 3 hrs twice per day also will burn out long before a single speed pump that has a circ pump doing the filtering and gues which cost more to replace. In the end this is another circular argument.

Another use of your convenient sales logic.

[Guzz]

LOL, the meter does spin 24/7 but the circ pump is like having a 60-watt bulb on. The 2-speed pump may only be in 6 hrs per day but it uses much more energy while in use. AT BEST, the 2-speed pump might be equal to the circ pump on energy used but most think it's a bit more, not much and not worth arguing about. You make it sound like the circ pump uses more energy, not true.

As far as reliability, sure the circ pump probably won't last as long as jet pumps, I'll give you that. However, a 2-speed pump filtering 3 hrs twice per day also will burn out long before a single speed pump that has a circ pump doing the filtering and gues which cost more to replace. In the end this is another circular argument.

Another use of your convenient sales logic.

A circular argument indeed.

[Brulan1]

LOL, the meter does spin 24/7 but the circ pump is like having a 60-watt bulb on. The 2-speed pump may only be in 6 hrs per day but it uses much more energy while in use. AT BEST, the 2-speed pump might be equal to the circ pump on energy used but most think it's a bit more, not much and not worth arguing about. You make it sound like the circ pump uses more energy, not true.

As far as reliability, sure the circ pump probably won't last as long as jet pumps, I'll give you that. However, a 2-speed pump filtering 3 hrs twice per day also will burn out long before a single speed pump that has a circ pump doing the filtering and gues which cost more to replace. In the end this is another circular argument.

Another use of your convenient sales logic.

Sorry I won't buy that the pump doing the 2-3hr cycles will burn faster than a pump doing 24-7. But I do see your point that both have there goods and bads. The problem is a circulating pump only pumps the water in the facinity of the pump so unless you are in the spa pushing the water towards the pump it is not being filtered unless you have a HS which has no-bypass filtering hence 100percent. GPM is N/A with a system that uses the pump with 2-3 hr cycles unless you do the math. 400gals in spa filtered 6-7 times daily 100percent = 400 gals. an hour. How many gal/hr does a circulating pump do?

[spatech (the unreal one)]

Sorry I won't buy that the pump doing the 2-3hr cycles will burn faster than a pump doing 24-7.

Neither would I but fortunately I didn't say that, you just misread it. I was saying that because you don't have a circ pump you use a 2-speed pump to filter for 6 hrs/day. A 2-speed pump will not last as long as a single speed jet pump that doesn't have to be used 6 hrs/day. See what I mean? This is another circluar argument.