Circulation Pumps?

[sharkman009]

Sorry Sir but you are way way off. I am happy that you are enjoying your spa but the smaller circ pump running 24 hours a day, will at the end of the month cost about the same as the larger pump running on low speed for a 1/4 of the time. Make no mistake you will filter all of the water (100%) many more times on low speed with the larger pump. As for the comment about not needing to run the larger pump on a Hot Springs it is again incorrect as that is why it is suggested that if you do not use the spa. It is a good idea to go hit the clean up cycle it turns on the larger pump. Hot Springs again builds a good product but there are genuine alternatives to how they choose to do things. Many long and Happy soaks to you Sir.

Sorry but he is not incorrect that he doesnt need to run the jet pumps in order to filter the water. Where are you getting your information when you say that it is suggested that you run the clean cycle if you do not use the spa for several days. Ive never seen that statement in a Hotspring owners manual. They recommend that you hit the clean cycle when you add chemicals to the filter compartment.

When the circ pump is drawing water it is pulling water from the jet pumps so that all of the water is getting filtered even if the jet pumps dont turn on for a month and your previous comment about that only being a trickle is wrong also.

[Jack L]

Sorry but he is not incorrect that he doesnt need to run the jet pumps in order to filter the water. Where are you getting your information when you say that it is suggested that you run the clean cycle if you do not use the spa for several days. Ive never seen that statement in a Hotspring owners manual. They recommend that you hit the clean cycle when you add chemicals to the filter compartment.

When the circ pump is drawing water it is pulling water from the jet pumps so that all of the water is getting filtered even if the jet pumps dont turn on for a month and your previous comment about that only being a trickle is wrong also.

That's what I thought.......

[sharkman009]

That's what I thought.......

The other point that you were right about is the fact that it costs more to build a spa with a dedicated circ pump and that adds to the bottom line when they sell their products. There may be manufacturers that build cheaper spas out there that offer circ pumps but you pay for it.

[thestallion]

Sorry but he is not incorrect that he doesnt need to run the jet pumps in order to filter the water. Where are you getting your information when you say that it is suggested that you run the clean cycle if you do not use the spa for several days. Ive never seen that statement in a Hotspring owners manual. They recommend that you hit the clean cycle when you add chemicals to the filter compartment.

When the circ pump is drawing water it is pulling water from the jet pumps so that all of the water is getting filtered even if the jet pumps dont turn on for a month and your previous comment about that only being a trickle is wrong also.

Come on have the sac to aknowledge that if your spa is sitting and not be used it is suggested to run the clean up cycle when you guys say the main plumbing gets purged by the circ pump it is a stretch it does so at a dribble. I amazed that you are so terrified to admit to the simplest of things.

Do not take out of context what I am saying Hot Springs is a good spa but please there is room for improvements with all brands.

[Guzz]

If you have an RV in the driveway & a small compact, which do you use to go to the corner store. If you don't have a compact you use the RV. Think about it.

[thestallion]

The other point that you were right about is the fact that it costs more to build a spa with a dedicated circ pump and that adds to the bottom line when they sell their products. There may be manufacturers that build cheaper spas out there that offer circ pumps but you pay for it.

Ohh there are a lot of ways to save money when you build a spa ummm like say using single speed 48 frame motors instead 56 frame. Than you can get away from using all braided plumbing lines so that you can save money in places that most people do not see but its cheaper to build and most people will not know the difference. You can also out source things to other country's that are close by like say Mexico for example to save money. Or you can skimp on the warranty and say things like yes we have a 5 year cabinet warranty that covers cracking oops not likely to happen or much less so than say fading or warping that we will exclude from covering, Oh and here's a good one lets put things in our spa that we know will fail over time in fact we are so sure that they will not last we will exclude them from our warranty how about pillows. Maybe the reason some do not care for circ pumps is that they are so small and move so little of water than maybe the fact of that lower turnover of water in spa and that the little tiny circ pump that can not even pull a piece of thread that is sitting on the surface of the water into the filter in a day or week or a month without turning on the bigger motors and this to some people this is just not acceptable. Its best to acknowledge that OK maybe there are a few holes and maybe some people feel there is a better to do the same thing. Its not that a circ pump does not work its just that some people who ALSO build a quality product feel there is a better way and its not because you feel it costs less to build.

[drumstick]

Ohh there are a lot of ways to save money when you build a spa ummm like say using single speed 48 frame motors instead 56 frame. Than you can get away from using all braided plumbing lines so that you can save money in places that most people do not see but its cheaper to build and most people will not know the difference. You can also out source things to other country's that are close by like say Mexico for example to save money. Or you can skimp on the warranty and say things like yes we have a 5 year cabinet warranty that covers cracking oops not likely to happen or much less so than say fading or warping that we will exclude from covering, Oh and here's a good one lets put things in our spa that we know will fail over time in fact we are so sure that they will not last we will exclude them from our warranty how about pillows. Maybe the reason some do not care for circ pumps is that they are so small and move so little of water than maybe the fact of that lower turnover of water in spa and that the little tiny circ pump that can not even pull a piece of thread that is sitting on the surface of the water into the filter in a day or week or a month without turning on the bigger motors and this to some people this is just not acceptable. Its best to acknowledge that OK maybe there are a few holes and maybe some people feel there is a better to do the same thing. Its not that a circ pump does not work its just that some people who ALSO build a quality product feel there is a better way and its not because you feel it costs less to build.

WELL PUT!!!

[sharkman009]

Come on have the sac to aknowledge that if your spa is sitting and not be used it is suggested to run the clean up cycle when you guys say the main plumbing gets purged by the circ pump it is a stretch it does so at a dribble. I amazed that you are so terrified to admit to the simplest of things.

Do not take out of context what I am saying Hot Springs is a good spa but please there is room for improvements with all brands.

So let me get this straight. Im supposed to have the balls to admit that your right even when your not. Fat chance! You dont have a clue what your talking about and you proved it when you made the comment that on a Hotspring only the cic pump has no bypass. So if you want to make an argument for your case let me give you a little advice. Learn about what your arguing about before you try making your point. It's pretty obvious to me that you dont even have a clue how a Hotspring spa is plumbed let alone how it circulates.

Hotsprings has been building spas for what 28 years and your going to try to tell me that in that time if using a 2 speed pump system was better they wouldnt have switched in that time. Especially when it costs quite a bit more to build it the way it is!

[thestallion]

So let me get this straight. Im supposed to have the balls to admit that your right even when your not. Fat chance! You dont have a clue what your talking about and you proved it when you made the comment that on a Hotspring only the cic pump has no bypass. So if you want to make an argument for your case let me give you a little advice. Learn about what your arguing about before you try making your point. It's pretty obvious to me that you dont even have a clue how a Hotspring spa is plumbed let alone how it circulates.

Hotsprings has been building spas for what 28 years and your going to try to tell me that in that time if using a 2 speed pump system was better they wouldnt have switched in that time. Especially when it costs quite a bit more to build it the way it is!

[/quotte.

I doubt you have the balls to do much of anything so you might as well try and cast an insult instead of providing information. Interesting I guess you must think people who read these boards are light between the ears. Since you address nothing that was noted above but than I guess if you got nothing worth hearing than you can always go the confusion close. Nice Job!

[sharkman009]

So let me get this straight. Im supposed to have the balls to admit that your right even when your not. Fat chance! You dont have a clue what your talking about and you proved it when you made the comment that on a Hotspring only the cic pump has no bypass. So if you want to make an argument for your case let me give you a little advice. Learn about what your arguing about before you try making your point. It's pretty obvious to me that you dont even have a clue how a Hotspring spa is plumbed let alone how it circulates.

Hotsprings has been building spas for what 28 years and your going to try to tell me that in that time if using a 2 speed pump system was better they wouldnt have switched in that time. Especially when it costs quite a bit more to build it the way it is!

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I doubt you have the balls to do much of anything

Thats how most people that lose an argument react.

[thestallion]

Thats how most people that lose an argument react.

lol no what they do is take things out of context as you have just done and only use part of what was said and you seem to be most skilled in this so I take that you are most experienced in doing so.

[sharkman009]

lol no what they do is take things out of context as you have just done and only use part of what was said and you seem to be most skilled in this so I take that you are most experienced in doing so.

Feel free to point out what I took out of context.

[thestallion]

Feel free to point out what I took out of context.

I am not going to back and forth with you if you need some help go get a 5 year old I am sure they can make it very clear to you that you only half quoted someone and did not complete the sentence you were quoting.

[sharkman009]

I am not going to back and forth with you if you need some help go get a 5 year old I am sure they can make it very clear to you that you only half quoted someone and did not complete the sentence you were quoting.

Funny I thought I was talking to a 5 year old.

[thestallion]

Funny I thought I was talking to a 5 year old.

oh now thats clever.

[thestallion]

So let me get this straight. Im supposed to have the balls to admit that your right even when your not. Fat chance! You dont have a clue what your talking about and you proved it when you made the comment that on a Hotspring only the cic pump has no bypass. So if you want to make an argument for your case let me give you a little advice. Learn about what your arguing about before you try making your point. It's pretty obvious to me that you dont even have a clue how a Hotspring spa is plumbed let alone how it circulates.

Hotsprings has been building spas for what 28 years and your going to try to tell me that in that time if using a 2 speed pump system was better they wouldnt have switched in that time. Especially when it costs quite a bit more to build it the way it is!

Tell you what Sharkman come back to the board after you go study your own product. The circ pump is only plumbed directly to one filter the other filters are plumbed to the jet pumps, I think the circ pump is about a 30 sg ft filter. The water that drains the main plumbing line is in fact commonly referred to as a bleed line and it does in fact move water at a dribble or if you prefer a trickle. If you were not so arrogant about things and just acknowledge that this is how Hot Springs chooses to do things and it does in fact work well but in doing so you will sacrifice somethings and other builders who also make quality products choose do it in a different way and again there are some trade off in either case.

[Jack L]

f you were not so arrogant about things and just acknowledge that this is how Hot Springs chooses to do things and it does in fact work well but in doing so you will sacrifice somethings and other builders who also make quality products choose do it in a different way and again there are some trade off in either case.

So what is the sacrafice you speak of in the HS design?

[thestallion]

So what is the sacrafice you speak of in the HS design?

lol Jack enjoy your spa

[Jack L]

lol Jack enjoy your spa

Since you mentioned it, why not share? If I was to blast another specific tub, or design for its weakness then I should at least know what that weakness is. I don't mind hearing about any downside to my HS tub as long as there is some substance to that which is talked about rather then some vague statement.

[thestallion]

Since you mentioned it, why not share? If I was to blast another specific tub, or design for its weakness then I should at least know what that weakness is. I don't mind hearing about any downside to my HS tub as long as there is some substance to that which is talked about rather then some vague statement.

Jack it just comes down what you feel is the most effective way to keep your water clean. With todays spas most makers do a fine job of keeping your water clean. There are a few ways to get the water though the filter for the most part you can use a circ pump the runs 24 hours a day or a two speed pump that will operate at different times each day. Circ are great because they are quiet and energy efficient the down side to them is they move water very slowly most are rated at 6 to 8 gallons per minute under optimal conditions what that boils down to is that depending on the size of your spa the total body of water gets filtered say 18 to 28 times in a day. With the 2 speed larger pump your will run the water though the filter in fours hours about 65 to 80 times in the same 24 hour period. Along with pulling water into the filter each also has other up and down sides to them. A circ pump gives you 24 hours of ozone depending on how you feel that can be a great thing but some would not see it as such, as plus for the larger pump much in the same way you can adjust a washing machine to have a extra soak time or a longer wash cycles when you have clothes that are extra dirty the same way your spa water might be after a party or extra guests in your spa you can increase the filter time to say 6 hours and it now will be closer to a 100 times that water moves though the filter . At the end the cost to operate is about the same. Now before anyone jumps on me here I know some spas operate with the circ pump and also kick on the larger pump several times a day and I also know that some makers are now going to much larger circ pumps since they are relatively new in the field I guess time will tell how they play out. But to each way you filter the water no matter the brand each one will have pluses and minuses to how they decide to filter and not one way is the perfect or the only way to do it. Jack of course there is much more than just what I mentioned but I am not that great of a typer to get into it. BOTH WORK.

[Jack L]

And this is where it makes a full circle back to my comment that started this whole thing off but you don't seem to listen so I won't bother........

[thestallion]

And this is where it makes a full circle back to my comment that started this whole thing off but you don't seem to listen so I won't bother........

Jack whats the matter you did not like the answer. I should have left it alone with "enjoy your tub".

[Roger]

With the 2 speed larger pump your will run the water though the filter in fours hours about 65 to 80 times in the same 24 hour period.

I hate to add to this but.......the one thing we don't know about this 65-80 times the water was turned over is how much of it was actualy filtered and how much goes through the bypass. On low speed all is sposed to go through the bypass. but I have seen many dirty filters that force the bypass gate slightly open allowing bypass.

[hottubdan]

Jack whats the matter you did not like the answer. I should have left it alone with "enjoy your tub".

You basically prove the superiority of the Hot Spring system. "THEY BOTH WORK," and the Hot Spring system works more economically.

Case closed.

[thestallion]

You basically prove the superiority of the Hot Spring system. "THEY BOTH WORK," and the Hot Spring system works more economically.

Case closed.

Actually the Hot Springs works but with much less water filtering and with less flexibility than most others and it is non debatable. Case closed key thrown away and my Dad can whip your Dad and you have cooties.