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sharkman,

Thank you for acknowledging that at least the possibility of up-front, honest MS dealers exist.....I'm sorry that in all the years you've been in the spa business that you've never found one such.

Wmartin has covered the event you mentioned very well. I'll be very interested to hear your response to him. It sounds as if you have countless tales of MS impropriety at your disposal. Certainly I won't ask for each and every one but if you would like to share, please feel free. If you would also report on improprieties of other dealers who represent other spa manufacturers in order to give some perspective to our discourse, please do so.......certainly MS dealers aren't the only black holes of the spa universe.....or are they?

I really have a problem with this statement:

"And for the record Windsurfdog I really dont care how my statements sound."

I suggest you rethink your philosophy otherwise your credibility on this forum will suffer.....or do you really not care?

My apologies....it seems my statements regarding the rebate program led you to believe that I knew of other spa dealers that participated in the program. Though there may have been, I know of none other. My comment directed to the fact that other retailers in other industries also participated in the program.....that this was not a spa industry specific program. I'll leave you to do the research on the web.....there's plenty. And if not used for fodder, why is it constantly re-dredged by those that want to sling mud at MS? MS made a mistake.......case closed.

spatech,

I agree with you 100%. Since I am now "in bed" with MS, please trust me to relay any of my experiences with MS in a truthful manner. So far, 1 spinner jet has needed replacement on my spa and my dealer had MS ship me one to my doorstep (though the had other jets in stock, he did not have this one)--received it in about 8 days. I certainly hope this confidence level will continue......for years. I guess I feel no differently about MS at this point than I would any manufacturer from whom I may have purchased a spa.

camfam, Wmartin and poollady,

Thank you for your posts. I'm not here to insist that MS is the end-all, panacea, or the best thing since sliced bread for the spa industry......I'm merely an MS owner who has had nothing but extremely pleasing experiences with my 1.8 year old LSX and I really feel it would be a mistake to not speak up for a company and its product that has lived up to my expectations. MS spas aren't for everyone just as HS, SD, Marquis, etc. aren't for everyone....it's up to us individually to find the right fit....and MS is my best fit....and I'm not the only one.

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Sharkman, you have great passion for your job and your line, good for you. If you dont mind me saying this, as soon as your source became a disgruntled consumer/s, the facts stop, it then becomes heresay. I will buy into FACT that there was a parking lot sale, that the dealer sold Master. I would hold Master partly responsible for there choice of distributors if there ends up being improper business practices however we dont know what Master really said or did about this. FACT is also you sell against Master Spa so some could say you have a biased opinion, so dont be overly sensitive if I add a slight caveat to your opinion.

What about the consumer, didnt they ask about the dealer when they handed over the deposit payment? Did they go to a parking lot at a bowling alley and give some 2k for a spa without asking questions? Why would they consumer walk into your shop for help? Did they get rude with Master first?, who did they talk to?

Here is another Fact, I dont know what happen but there are two sides to every story and in the middle there is probably the truth

Last fact- the bashers have side tracked another post - this subject is on jets

Wmartin dont worry about me being sensitive to your opinion and hope hope your not offended by mine but I have a problem with your arguement. First let me say that if you say that you have a spa and youve had no problems and you enjoy it and you were happy with it Iwould say thats great and I accept that as a fact even though I dont know you I accept what you tell me to be true. On the other hand your arguement that a disgruntled customers statements cant be taken as fact strictly because they are disgruntled in my opinion is wrong. Then you say my opinion is biased because I sell against them. So your telling me your not willing to give me the same courtesy that I would be willing to give you? Now with your argument nobody would be able to give an opinion. Your opinion would have to be discounted as biased because you own it and are happy with it so of course your opinion will be slanted that way. A spa dealer that sells a particular brand could not give an opinion on his spas because they would be slanted in favor of his product.

Now if one customer had come into my store and told me the story of the parking lot sale that I described I would not have even mentioned the incident but there was not just one customer there were several. Did they use bad judgement sure in my opinion they made a big mistake purchasing as they did.

The reason they would come to us, we do service and repair on all brands including MS and we are well known for this. Since they could not get help from the manufacturer to contact the dealer they came in to see if we knew the dealer or could find out how to contact them. If you go back in some of the old forums I asked if anyone on here was aware of this company or could give us any contact info that we could pass onto this customer.

The problem I guess is that when anyone says well give us details your complaints are to vague, you give details and then the people that dont like those details are going to find ANY reason they can to discount them. So from now on people will have to be satisfied with the vague details and will just have to take me at my word as I would do for them.

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So.... as far as jets go- there has been a lot of good input on this. I still will state that the average consumer doesn't know about the different ways to "count" jets and it IS an important part of the decision making process for many people and should be clearly explained (which deserved some kind of mention- IMO). If the amount of jets really wasn't important.... why is it one of the questions that MOST people ask when learning about a spa? Doesn't it make sense that advertising specialists would take this simple jet question and answer it in a way that makes the company they are advertising somehow look better than others? I feel that there are *some* dealers smelling of macaroni (how funny!) but the ones who explain this simple jet count will stand above the other cheesy ones as a dealer or representative that has no Ulterior (spelling?) motives, no hidden agenda, no deception in mind, no trickery with words, no preying on the impulse buyer, and no advertising tricks. I'm not saying that those who do not discuss this small topic are the poster child for the previous sentence... but they could possibly be perceived by a shopping individual as such. Some have mentioned this already. Many people are savy to advertising tricks now-a-days... but some aren't. I don't want to leave those people to the wolves.

And of course the therapy is important! I would never in a million years disagree with that! That's a HUGE reason why spas exist in the first place. I certainly am not suggesting the jet count bears more weight than the hydrotherapy that they reproduce. If they are efficient... I personally would like to feel like 2 people are giving me a massage instead of one. :wub: (= more jets!) And somehow this makes me think... isn't that why people ask about the amount of jets in the first place? It's a reps job to help the average person understand the therapy part of the jets.

(ok, I embellished! :o I won't be around a million years... that must have been the salesperson in me talking. :lol: LOL!!!!!)

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So.... as far as jets go- there has been a lot of good input on this. I still will state that the average consumer doesn't know about the different ways to "count" jets and it IS an important part of the decision making process for many people and should be clearly explained (which deserved some kind of mention- IMO). If the amount of jets really wasn't important.... why is it one of the questions that MOST people ask when learning about a spa? Doesn't it make sense that advertising specialists would take this simple jet question and answer it in a way that makes the company they are advertising somehow look better than others? I feel that there are *some* dealers smelling of macaroni (how funny!) but the ones who explain this simple jet count will stand above the other cheesy ones as a dealer or representative that has no Ulterior (spelling?) motives, no hidden agenda, no deception in mind, no trickery with words, no preying on the impulse buyer, and no advertising tricks. I'm not saying that those who do not discuss this small topic are the poster child for the previous sentence... but they could possibly be perceived by a shopping individual as such. Some have mentioned this already. Many people are savy to advertising tricks now-a-days... but some aren't. I don't want to leave those people to the wolves.

And of course the therapy is important! I would never in a million years disagree with that! That's a HUGE reason why spas exist in the first place. I certainly am not suggesting the jet count bears more weight than the hydrotherapy that they reproduce. If they are efficient... I personally would like to feel like 2 people are giving me a massage instead of one. :wub: (= more jets!) And somehow this makes me think... isn't that why people ask about the amount of jets in the first place? It's a reps job to help the average person understand the therapy part of the jets.

(ok, I embellished! :o I won't be around a million years... that must have been the salesperson in me talking. :lol: LOL!!!!!)

Hey watch the macaroni and cheesy comments. :D

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Hey watch the macaroni and cheesy comments. :D

I know! I could be tarred and feathered for that! :lol:

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So.... as far as jets go- there has been a lot of good input on this. I still will state that the average consumer doesn't know about the different ways to "count" jets and it IS an important part of the decision making process for many people and should be clearly explained (which deserved some kind of mention- IMO).

Amen sister.

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Amen sister.

I can feeeel the love! :wub:

*this post curtousy of my desire to eventually be a master member*

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Only 52 more posts to go!

Maybe if i start a few hundred new topics and reply to those, i can catch up to Brulan on here for posts! No offense to you Brulan, just having fun here :-) Dang, i don't even know how many posts i'm at, maybe i'll look sometime.

Maybe if i start a few hundred new topics and reply to those, i can catch up to Brulan on here for posts! No offense to you Brulan, just having fun here :-) Dang, i don't even know how many posts i'm at, maybe i'll look sometime.

Ohhhhh, look at that, I'm at 166 . . . this one makes 167. Oh, wait, don't we already have a thread for this purpose? LoL.

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One of the thingd I must say is that while the differnt methods to count jets can make things confusing I must say that quantity and quality both come into play. The quality of the jets became key. All the dealers told me that the large jets are the ones that you should be after and that alot of cheaper tubs will populate the tub with really small jets. I ddint believe them at first but after testing them, I was a believer. It became very evident that the quality of the jet was very important (dont get me wrong, its nice to have some really small jets as well). As for the quantity, well, it can be confusing with the differnet manufactures. I would not make a general statement that I liked tubs with more jets than ones with less, that would not be true since the quality of jets played a big role in my purchase. However, I must say that I enjoyed tubs with alot of quality jets set up nicely more than I did with tubs that had just a few quality jets. Do not rule out the number of jets. I am not talking about the lame master blaster marketing thing where one jet is counted as 15 even though it is a very nice jet. I did like alot of jets in the tub but done up with quality jets in comfortable locations. Basically, if you are just quoting the brochure and going ooooohhhh and aaaahhh over the number of jets then think again. The same goes for horsepower of pumps. Some of the most powerfull tubs that I tested were not the biggest horsepower rated tubs. I went with the 3 (5hp) pumps in my tub becasue for one, its what i tested and didnt want to be shocked when the tub got home , its a large tub with alot of jets and the third reason is the largest jet count is only available in the 3 pump model.

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One of the thingd I must say is that while the differnt methods to count jets can make things confusing I must say that quantity and quality both come into play. The quality of the jets became key. All the dealers told me that the large jets are the ones that you should be after and that alot of cheaper tubs will populate the tub with really small jets. I ddint believe them at first but after testing them, I was a believer. It became very evident that the quality of the jet was very important (dont get me wrong, its nice to have some really small jets as well). As for the quantity, well, it can be confusing with the differnet manufactures. I would not make a general statement that I liked tubs with more jets than ones with less, that would not be true since the quality of jets played a big role in my purchase. However, I must say that I enjoyed tubs with alot of quality jets set up nicely more than I did with tubs that had just a few quality jets. Do not rule out the number of jets. I am not talking about the lame master blaster marketing thing where one jet is counted as 15 even though it is a very nice jet. I did like alot of jets in the tub but done up with quality jets in comfortable locations. Basically, if you are just quoting the brochure and going ooooohhhh and aaaahhh over the number of jets then think again. The same goes for horsepower of pumps. Some of the most powerfull tubs that I tested were not the biggest horsepower rated tubs. I went with the 3 (5hp) pumps in my tub becasue for one, its what i tested and didnt want to be shocked when the tub got home , its a large tub with alot of jets and the third reason is the largest jet count is only available in the 3 pump model.

Its not the amount of jets or power it is where the jets are placed with proper speeds.

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Its not the amount of jets or power it is where the jets are placed with proper speeds.

If you agve me the option of a seat with one nice jet placed in a good location vs 5 nice jets placed in good locations and both seats had good pressure, I am probably going to take the chair with 5 nice jets placed in good locations. I will agree with you BRulan that location, pressure and type of jet are a huge factor, but I also must say that I have tested tubs in the same line up that are the exact same shell but with more jets and preffered them too. All I am saying tis that jet count is not everything by any means but did have some influence in my descision. I di not get caught up in the jet count game that many places play, instead I let my wet test speak for itself.

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