JOKERSOAKER Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Last Friday night after show hours a person with Sundance at the Novi, MI Pool&Spa show this weekend was caught on camera by the main entrance to the Rock Financial convention center in the Dynasty booth putting a substance into a filled Dynasty demo spa. The substance was placed into 5 other brands of demo spas and caused all the spas to overflow with suds. After numerous complaints SHOWSPAN banned Sundance Spas Inc. from any future events and had the police escort the the man who was caught on camera out of the building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBK Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Last Friday night after show hours a person with Sundance at the Novi, MI Pool&Spa show this weekend was caught on camera by the main entrance to the Rock Financial convention center in the Dynasty booth putting a substance into a filled Dynasty demo spa. This same substance was placed into 5 other brands of demo spas. After numerous complaints SHOWSPAN banned Sundance Spas Inc. from any future events and had the police escort the the man who was caught on camera out of the building. Unfortunately Sundance affiliates are not the only ones doing this I have heard of this happening in many events in the past. TBK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
master Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 A few really stupid people make it difficult for the reallly good ones in any company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmartin Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Ridiculous I have just put a very small deposit down on a Sundance Spa and I feel like I should "walk it". Just pathetic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzz Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Ridiculous I have just put a very small deposit down on a Sundance Spa and I feel like I should "walk it". Just pathetic Sundance is a good spa backed by a good company, but there are village idiots in all organizations. Don't let this one spoil it for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hottubdan Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 How does one verify the truth of this thread? Any other sources for this story? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spatech (the unreal one) Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 How does one verify the truth of this thread? Any other sources for this story? He was specific about the show and date so hopefully that can be confirmed (or discounted). Obviously that is a reflection on that individual and MAYBE that dealer (depending on whether it was a traveling smuck salesman or a regular employee or the actual dealer) but nothing more should be taken from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Tub Guru Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 This is completly true! There were two other spas that got soaped. An employee of Inside Out was the one caught on tape, he left the bath room with a hand full of soap. He was fired, but I bet he will show up back in Inside Out's store. However I don't think InsideOut was banned from the show. This type of tactics is shamful! Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spatech (the unreal one) Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 This is completly true! There were two other spas that got soaped. An employee of Inside Out was the one caught on tape, he left the bath room with a hand full of soap. He was fired, but I bet he will show up back in Inside Out's store. However I don't think InsideOut was banned from the show. This type of tactics is shamful! Michael There was also confirmation that Brulan was no where near that show! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brulan1 Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 There was also confirmation that Brulan was no where near that show! That is rediculous, lol. That person must feel like an ass and makes the company look bad. A little suds x by rendevous can help that problem, quite alot of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 He was specific about the show and date so hopefully that can be confirmed (or discounted). Obviously that is a reflection on that individual and MAYBE that dealer (depending on whether it was a traveling smuck salesman or a regular employee or the actual dealer) but nothing more should be taken from it. The original post makes it sound like an employee of Sundance, itself did this. That would seem highly unlikely. A bonehead dealer...maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzz Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 The original post makes it sound like an employee of Sundance, itself did this. That would seem highly unlikely. A bonehead dealer...maybe. If it was a hired sales team for the event the person that did this may have had no conection to Sundance other than as a temporary event guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hottubdan Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 If it was a hired sales team for the event the person that did this may have had no conection to Sundance other than as a temporary event guy. However, if he was an event salesman, he could be with an independent company that Sundance promotes. Whoever he is should be ashamed dealers should know who he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kreg Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 He was specific about the show and date so hopefully that can be confirmed (or discounted). Obviously that is a reflection on that individual and MAYBE that dealer (depending on whether it was a traveling smuck salesman or a regular employee or the actual dealer) but nothing more should be taken from it. Our Master Spa was a victim of the soaping as well. The culprit admitted to me that he did indeed put soap in our spa. The owner of "the company" said that he was going to be fired. Later, he said that the employee of six years was just banned from that show. Unbelievable! I'm sure that this idiot got a lot of high-fives behind the scenes. Sundance is a pretty nice spa, but the spa is only as good as the dealer who sells it, services it, and supports the customer. It makes you wonder what kind of atmosphere these salesmen work in, when an employee of six years thinks it's alright to do that. I guess they were just scared to take on Master Spas and Dynasty Spas in a fair, head-to-head competition. That little stunt cost my company tens-of-thousands of dollars in lost sales, wasted time, missed opportunity, water, filters, chemicals, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hottubdan Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 I guess they were just scared to take on Master Spas and Dynasty Spas in a fair, head-to-head competition. I don't sell Sundance. However, there is no reason for a Sundance dealer to stoop to those tactics when selling against Master Spa or Dynasty Spas. Completely different products designed for different people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kreg Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 I don't sell Sundance. However, there is no reason for a Sundance dealer to stoop to those tactics when selling against Master Spa or Dynasty Spas. Completely different products designed for different people. You don't think that taking out two major competitors at a show is a good enough reason? So what exactly do you mean by "Completely different products designed for different people?" BTW, they did stoop to those tactics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOKERSOAKER Posted March 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 You don't think that taking out two major competitors at a show is a good enough reason? So what exactly do you mean by "Completely different products designed for different people?" BTW, they did stoop to those tactics. Give me that damn cell phone number. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 You don't think that taking out two major competitors at a show is a good enough reason? So what exactly do you mean by "Completely different products designed for different people?" BTW, they did stoop to those tactics. What he means is he doesn't think Sundance should have to stoop to those levels competeing against those particular spas you mentioned. In his opinion Sundance is design for different people than those others and should not have to resort to those tactics to sell against those others, it could hold it's own just fine. There's plenty I don't like about Sundance but I think they are a fine tub. In my top ten, but not top 5. Boneheads make bonehead moves. I know theres plenty who would consider this a black mark against Sundance but most are smart enough to recognize stupidity by a person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzz Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 What he means is he doesn't think Sundance should have to stoop to those levels competeing against those particular spas you mentioned. In his opinion Sundance is design for different people than those others and should not have to resort to those tactics to sell against those others, it could hold it's own just fine. There's plenty I don't like about Sundance but I think they are a fine tub. In my top ten, but not top 5. Boneheads make bonehead moves. I know theres plenty who would consider this a black mark against Sundance but most are smart enough to recognize stupidity by a person. I agree with you Roger, but the fact that they have apparently not washed their hands of this guy is not a good move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman009 Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 I agree with you Roger, but the fact that they have apparently not washed their hands of this guy is not a good move. Has it been determined if he was part of a sales team or an actual employee? If he was part of a sales team I would like to know so that there is no possibility of making the mistake of hiring that team for any promotion that I would be doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poollady Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Has it been determined if he was part of a sales team or an actual employee? If he was part of a sales team I would like to know so that there is no possibility of making the mistake of hiring that team for any promotion that I would be doing. To quote Forrest Gump "Stupid is, as Stupid does" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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