Hot Springs, Arctic And Pricing

[Spa_Guru]

http://www.havenmade.com/spaspecialist/hotspringUL.html

So when Hot Springs spas were catching on fire, this was because they built so many of them, or they were cutting corners?

[Dan.The.Spa.Man]

http://www.havenmade.com/spaspecialist/hotspringUL.html

So when Hot Springs spas were catching on fire, this was because they built so many of them, or they were cutting corners?

Ah, now I get it....Jim the Jim is back again. Great.

[spatech (the unreal one)]

http://www.havenmade.com/spaspecialist/hotspringUL.html

So when Hot Springs spas were catching on fire, this was because they built so many of them, or they were cutting corners?

Ah, now I get it....Jim the Jim is back again. Great.

LOL, could this really be Jim in yet another disguise1? The anti-Hot Srping rhetoric does seem similar but Jim usually knocks everyone.

[Dan.The.Spa.Man]

http://www.havenmade.com/spaspecialist/hotspringUL.html

So when Hot Springs spas were catching on fire, this was because they built so many of them, or they were cutting corners?

Ah, now I get it....Jim the Jim is back again. Great.

LOL, could this really be Jim in yet another disguise1? The anti-Hot Srping rhetoric does seem similar but Jim usually knocks everyone.

It's him, same type of quotes in his profile signature. And who else would post links to Jim's propaganda articles besides Jim?

[Tubber McGee]

Your the Devil in diguise - oh yes she is!!

[Spa_Guru]

Jim? Nah, I am a new member, all I did is google "Hot springs spas fire" and that was the top result, fires in Hot Springs heaters are common knowledge to anyone who has been in the business long enough.

For the record, I never said Hot Springs are junk, I just said they are not what they used to be, and they are overrated and overpriced.

I would rank them in with Clearwater, but under Sundance, D1, or Marquis.

[Dan.The.Spa.Man]

Jim? Nah, I am a new member, all I did is google "Hot springs spas fire" and that was the top result, fires in Hot Springs heaters are common knowledge to anyone who has been in the business long enough.

For the record, I never said Hot Springs are junk, I just said they are not what they used to be, and they are overrated and overpriced.

I would rank them in with Clearwater, but under Sundance, D1, or Marquis.

So you just arbitrarily googled "hot spring spas fire" and figured this 10 year old info would be helpful in a thread asking questions about 2010 HotSprings and Arctic pricing? Then posted links to Jim's false claims about UL listings. If you are not Jim, which I still think you are, you have the same agressive agenda.

[Spa_Guru]

Jim? Nah, I am a new member, all I did is google "Hot springs spas fire" and that was the top result, fires in Hot Springs heaters are common knowledge to anyone who has been in the business long enough.

For the record, I never said Hot Springs are junk, I just said they are not what they used to be, and they are overrated and overpriced.

I would rank them in with Clearwater, but under Sundance, D1, or Marquis.

So you just arbitrarily googled "hot spring spas fire" and figured this 10 year old info would be helpful in a thread asking questions about 2010 HotSprings and Arctic pricing? Then posted links to Jim's false claims about UL listings. If you are not Jim, which I still think you are, you have the same agressive agenda.

My post was in reply to your statement of;

The answer is simple...hundreds of thousands more tubs out there then most companies. There are more questions and problems because there are exponentially more tubs in service.

So I think it is a valid response, and you sir, seem paranoid, I am not attacking you, I am simply a spa repairman with extensive experience, I do not sell anyone's spas, if I did, I wouldn't bother to reply to help people rebuild 20 year old 4 jet Hytec shells in other threads.

I know Hot Springs and the brands associated with it outsell everything else, and I know the corporation that owns them dwarfs all other hot tub manufacturers by a wide margin.

I have opinions, and if this is a Hot Springs only forum, then post that in the use guidelines.

I spent a year of my 25 year career recently (2008) working close to a Hot Springs dealer, enough so that I was sent to their factory for training, I worked in the service and parts end of things and know intimately the differences in recently built units, and ones that were built years ago.

It has nothing to do with how many jets, or how many spas are built.

Do you really believe that the issues they have with electronics (even right now) would be happening if R&D was done sufficiently?

[Dan.The.Spa.Man]

Jim? Nah, I am a new member, all I did is google "Hot springs spas fire" and that was the top result, fires in Hot Springs heaters are common knowledge to anyone who has been in the business long enough.

For the record, I never said Hot Springs are junk, I just said they are not what they used to be, and they are overrated and overpriced.

I would rank them in with Clearwater, but under Sundance, D1, or Marquis.

So you just arbitrarily googled "hot spring spas fire" and figured this 10 year old info would be helpful in a thread asking questions about 2010 HotSprings and Arctic pricing? Then posted links to Jim's false claims about UL listings. If you are not Jim, which I still think you are, you have the same agressive agenda.

My post was in reply to your statement of;

The answer is simple...hundreds of thousands more tubs out there then most companies. There are more questions and problems because there are exponentially more tubs in service.

So I think it is a valid response, and you sir, seem paranoid, I am not attacking you, I am simply a spa repairman with extensive experience, I do not sell anyone's spas, if I did, I wouldn't bother to reply to help people rebuild 20 year old 4 jet Hytec shells in other threads.

I know Hot Springs and the brands associated with it outsell everything else, and I know the corporation that owns them dwarfs all other hot tub manufacturers by a wide margin.

I have opinions, and if this is a Hot Springs only forum, then post that in the use guidelines.

I spent a year of my 25 year career recently (2008) working close to a Hot Springs dealer, enough so that I was sent to their factory for training, I worked in the service and parts end of things and know intimately the differences in recently built units, and ones that were built years ago.

It has nothing to do with how many jets, or how many spas are built.

Do you really believe that the issues they have with electronics (even right now) would be happening if R&D was done sufficiently?

Your title in your profile says this: Spa_Guru ---- Nothing to sell, just 40,000 service calls worth of advice!

...but you have a quote on your page from Zig Ziglar, world recognized motivational speaker and award winning salesman and author.

Seems contradictory.

[Spa_Guru]

Your title in your profile says this: Spa_Guru ---- Nothing to sell, just 40,000 service calls worth of advice!

...but you have a quote on your page from Zig Ziglar, world recognized motivational speaker and award winning salesman and author.

Seems contradictory.

Not really, a spa repairman needs to be able to sell service and repairs, but I can hardly do either of those on the web.

I have also read Dale Carnagie, come to think of it, I have read a lot, I'm 51 years old.

The truth is the truth, even if Zig Ziglar says it.

[THE SPA GUY]

I have sold many spas the last 15 years, But to say that Hot Springs burn up in my opinion is a cheap sale ploy, and if there was a widspread problem they would not be around, As most know i sell D1, Clearwater, H2o, South Pacific, love my spas , but Hot Springs is a highly regarded manufacturer and deservingly, But I also went therough the Dale Carnegie class about 10 years ago, I can see that in everday retail or manufacturing, not much in the service side, but if it works great,,,I don't think the best way to give advice on this site is for any individual to amswer to every thread even if they do not know and google to see what comes up. to me that is not advice from experience,,, but that is my opinion,, I still believe the top brands are D1, Hot Springs, Sundance, Jacuzzi, MArquis, to name a few , if any one of these manufacturers had problems they would haved closed up shop a while ago, especially now in this economy, if they were not samrt or resourceful they would be gone....just my 2 cents.....

[Dan.The.Spa.Man]

I have sold many spas the last 15 years, But to say that Hot Springs burn up in my opinion is a cheap sale ploy, and if there was a widspread problem they would not be around, As most know i sell D1, Clearwater, H2o, South Pacific, love my spas , but Hot Springs is a highly regarded manufacturer and deservingly, But I also went therough the Dale Carnegie class about 10 years ago, I can see that in everday retail or manufacturing, not much in the service side, but if it works great,,,I don't think the best way to give advice on this site is for any individual to amswer to every thread even if they do not know and google to see what comes up. to me that is not advice from experience,,, but that is my opinion,, I still believe the top brands are D1, Hot Springs, Sundance, Jacuzzi, MArquis, to name a few , if any one of these manufacturers had problems they would haved closed up shop a while ago, especially now in this economy, if they were not samrt or resourceful they would be gone....just my 2 cents.....

Good points. I do some sales of HotSpring, Caldera, Tiger River, Solana, and a ton of service on these brands. I try to answer most service questions involving these brands for people on here and I generally stay out of the price wars to let owners chime in on their experiences. I have never trashed any other brands and try to assist with questions regardless of manufacturer. I just don't know enough to consistently answer questions about the other brands. OK, maybe I've trashed ThermoSpas a little bit...lol

Emmitt, To get back on subject, I would try to get a price for the tub you want and then try to work in the Ace system at the last minute so you know what you are paying for it. I have sold about 8 of these with no complaints.

[joeb1943]

Hi - I am in the market for a Spa and have looked at HotSprings and Arctic brands. Each claims to have a salt based purification system which works well (of course!), so trying to size up pricing. Anyone have a good feel for pricing of a 2010 HotSprings Vanguard or Envoy with the new ACE system? on Arctic side - considering a Kodiak, so same question. thanks!

[joeb1943]

I looked at spas extensively for some three months before settling on the Artic Spa Klondiker LSE. Liked the spa. Hated the price. The LSE models come with a ten year warrantee on most components. The nearest dealer is 95 miles from me. The fact that Artic was/is comfortable enough to offer such a warrantee convinced me of the quality/reliability Note they DO NOT OFFER the same warrantee on the other models. List was $15,900 with all the options (Northern Lights, steps etc). Paid $10,900. Now the fun part.....I'm a little guy at 315lbs!!! My esteemed spouse is 120lbs. We reside in North Carolina (summer daytime temps average in the low 90's). WE LOVE THIS TUB. Jet action is great. Electric consumption runs apx. $26/month. Had a great deal of "fun" with the owners manual as it seems almost every use instruction paragraph ends with the phrase..."better yet, get in the tub and try it for yourself"

[MrSundance]

I looked at spas extensively for some three months before settling on the Artic Spa Klondiker LSE. Liked the spa. Hated the price. The LSE models come with a ten year warrantee on most components. The nearest dealer is 95 miles from me. The fact that Artic was/is comfortable enough to offer such a warrantee convinced me of the quality/reliability Note they DO NOT OFFER the same warrantee on the other models. List was $15,900 with all the options (Northern Lights, steps etc). Paid $10,900. Now the fun part.....I'm a little guy at 315lbs!!! My esteemed spouse is 120lbs. We reside in North Carolina (summer daytime temps average in the low 90's). WE LOVE THIS TUB. Jet action is great. Electric consumption runs apx. $26/month. Had a great deal of "fun" with the owners manual as it seems almost every use instruction paragraph ends with the phrase..."better yet, get in the tub and try it for yourself"

Bad News is that spa lists for about $ 7,000 to $8,000 not $10,000-$15,000. But enjoy it.

[Spa Dude]

I looked at spas extensively for some three months before settling on the Artic Spa Klondiker LSE. Liked the spa. Hated the price. The LSE models come with a ten year warrantee on most components. The nearest dealer is 95 miles from me. The fact that Artic was/is comfortable enough to offer such a warrantee convinced me of the quality/reliability Note they DO NOT OFFER the same warrantee on the other models. List was $15,900 with all the options (Northern Lights, steps etc). Paid $10,900. Now the fun part.....I'm a little guy at 315lbs!!! My esteemed spouse is 120lbs. We reside in North Carolina (summer daytime temps average in the low 90's). WE LOVE THIS TUB. Jet action is great. Electric consumption runs apx. $26/month. Had a great deal of "fun" with the owners manual as it seems almost every use instruction paragraph ends with the phrase..."better yet, get in the tub and try it for yourself"

Bad News is that spa lists for about $ 7,000 to $8,000 not $10,000-$15,000. But enjoy it.

I'd love to see where that spa is listed for $7,000 or even $8,000. The Klondiker LSE retails here for £15,000, that's almost $30,000 canadian. Please send me a link or information as to where I can purchase the Klondiker LSE for this extreemly cheap price of $7,000/$8,000

[MrSundance]

I looked at spas extensively for some three months before settling on the Artic Spa Klondiker LSE. Liked the spa. Hated the price. The LSE models come with a ten year warrantee on most components. The nearest dealer is 95 miles from me. The fact that Artic was/is comfortable enough to offer such a warrantee convinced me of the quality/reliability Note they DO NOT OFFER the same warrantee on the other models. List was $15,900 with all the options (Northern Lights, steps etc). Paid $10,900. Now the fun part.....I'm a little guy at 315lbs!!! My esteemed spouse is 120lbs. We reside in North Carolina (summer daytime temps average in the low 90's). WE LOVE THIS TUB. Jet action is great. Electric consumption runs apx. $26/month. Had a great deal of "fun" with the owners manual as it seems almost every use instruction paragraph ends with the phrase..."better yet, get in the tub and try it for yourself"

Bad News is that spa lists for about $ 7,000 to $8,000 not $10,000-$15,000. But enjoy it.

I'd love to see where that spa is listed for $7,000 or even $8,000. The Klondiker LSE retails here for £15,000, that's almost $30,000 canadian. Please send me a link or information as to where I can purchase the Klondiker LSE for this extreemly cheap price of $7,000/$8,000

Most any dealer in the US would be happy with $8000 for that spa. Unfortunately there aren't many Arctic dealers in the US anymore. I used to sell them for about a year, there are not bad for just an average over-hyped, over marketed spa.

[Spa Dude]

I looked at spas extensively for some three months before settling on the Artic Spa Klondiker LSE. Liked the spa. Hated the price. The LSE models come with a ten year warrantee on most components. The nearest dealer is 95 miles from me. The fact that Artic was/is comfortable enough to offer such a warrantee convinced me of the quality/reliability Note they DO NOT OFFER the same warrantee on the other models. List was $15,900 with all the options (Northern Lights, steps etc). Paid $10,900. Now the fun part.....I'm a little guy at 315lbs!!! My esteemed spouse is 120lbs. We reside in North Carolina (summer daytime temps average in the low 90's). WE LOVE THIS TUB. Jet action is great. Electric consumption runs apx. $26/month. Had a great deal of "fun" with the owners manual as it seems almost every use instruction paragraph ends with the phrase..."better yet, get in the tub and try it for yourself"

Bad News is that spa lists for about $ 7,000 to $8,000 not $10,000-$15,000. But enjoy it.

I'd love to see where that spa is listed for $7,000 or even $8,000. The Klondiker LSE retails here for £15,000, that's almost $30,000 canadian. Please send me a link or information as to where I can purchase the Klondiker LSE for this extreemly cheap price of $7,000/$8,000

Most any dealer in the US would be happy with $8000 for that spa. Unfortunately there aren't many Arctic dealers in the US anymore. I used to sell them for about a year, there are not bad for just an average over-hyped, over marketed spa.

I checked with a few of our US dealers and they said they would have to be insane to sell an SE for $8000 US. Arctic Spas are still regarded in the top 5 best hot tubs you can buy. The fact that Arctic are still around and still growing across the globe when all the other major companies we're against the wall proves they are more than just an average, over-hyped and over marketed spa, but hey, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Only a low balling salesperson would drop an SE price to $8000 to get a sale, that's my opinion

[D Sue]

What do you think a decent deal would be for me to get on a 2020 Artic Legend 2 spa?

[castletonia]

1 hour ago, D Sue said:

What do you think a decent deal would be for me to get on a 2020 Artic Legend 2 spa?

No idea on Arctic pricing, but you will be better served starting a new thread, not resurrecting a 11 year old one.

[Donna H]

I'm a first-time hot tub shopper, and I'm overwhelmed by the number of companies, and the huge range of ratings for all of them. I just want a basic spa to help with back pain, with no fancy extra gadgets like waterfalls and changing colored lights, that will last a long time without a ton of expensive repairs or maintenance, for under $8000, if possible. (We could go as high as $10,000 but that would be painful.) Do any of the spa companies fit that bill? 

Edited March 30, 2021 by Donna H
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[cranbiz]

Plenty of good manufacturers in that price range.  Probably the most important thing you can do is find a good dealer.  A good dealer will work with you to get the right tub for you. You will have a chance to sit in several models (they may not have the exact tub on the floor due to the craziness of the market right now) and hopefully you can wet test several tubs to find that perfect fit.

Hot Springs, Marquis, Bullfrog, Artesian, Sundance, Artic and Nordic offer good tubs with quality components and good warranties. Any manufacturers premium models are going to be above your budget but they make entry level tubs that still have the quality and backing but are more budget friendly.

Hot Springs has the Hot Spot collection, Artesian has the South Seas and Garden Spa lines, Marquis has the Celebrity line, Bullfrog has the X series, etc.

As mentioned before, if you start your own thread, it will be easier to assist you and get the advice of others than me, who is just a somewhat educated, second time hot tub user.