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Peroxysan What Is It And Does It Work


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Essentially Peroxysan is hydrogen peroxide. I do not know the cost of it, however, I would think you could purchase industrial strength peroxide 50% for a similar price.

To use peroxide you normally run the system at 40 ppm or thereabouts. For a home spa it is probably a viable alternative, however the cost of the product normally outweighs the benefits. Unfortunately this is why the pool industry normally uses chlorine.

It is usual if you do go the peroxide route to also run a secondary system such as ultraviolet at 60 mj/s/cm, and this system does work reasonably well. I am not sure how it would go with Ozone, I have to think about it for a while.

HTH

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Actually the MSDS says it contains

NAME CAS RN %

Hydrogen peroxide 7722-84-1 10-30

Peracetic acid 79-21-0 1-10

Acetic acid solution 4-10% None 1-10

Surfactant unspecified 1

Water 7732-18-5 >60

Hmm.. Hydrogen Peroxide.. Vinegar.. and a chemical in the organic peroxide family.. highly corrosive and with strong oxidizing potential.

Peracetic Acid is an ideal antimicrobial.

Sounds good.. but will it do any damage to a fiberglass or gelloy tub??

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Peracetic acid is a very strong oxidizer so your question is a good one, but unfortunately I do not know the answer to it though their website here claims no degradation. I do know that metal ions catalyze the degradation of peracetic acid so one should certainly not use this along with any metal ion system (e.g. N2 or copper sulfate). Peracetic acid at 100 ppm is on the borderline of good to acceptable in terms of corrosion of copper according to this report. I'm not clear as to the level of peracetic acid from use of this product nor how effective it is in terms of bacteria kill at that concentration (it's clearly very good at higher concentrations). The MSDS referred to above is here, but I'm not clear if this is identical to what is used for the spa.

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Hello all'

I tried Peroxysan in my new (used) tub and it was a total NIGHTMARE!!

The sales guy at the Arctic Spa place really talked the product up and even went so far as to tell me my tub would be better off if I used Peroxysan and disconnected my ozone system. I gave the Peroxysan a try and have had nothing but problems with it.

First off it costs over $150.00 to get four four-litre jugs of the stuff and you have to use 1/4 of the supply as soon as the tub is filled. The dealer was vague on how much to add on a daily/weekly basis, but I discovered I had to add about a litre to two litres a week. At this rate my chemicals costs would run me about $150 - $200 a month using Peroxysan, who can afford that? What a nightmare for my wallet, and the results were a disaster.

After the first week with Peroxysan in the tub all sorts of while 'floaties' started appearing in the water and the water was constantly smellin 'off'. The dealer said that was due to organic contaminants left in the lines when we had draining the tub. He recommend we dump an entire container of powdered chlorine shock into the tub & drain it. He obvious never tried this himself !

Peroxysan and chlorine DO NOT MIX WELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The water turned a putrid foggy yellow and the smell was noxious. I let the chlorine do its thing for 12 hours and then drained the tub and filled it again with clean water and added another 4 litres of Peroxysan. Everything looked good and smelled fine until the kids (teens) had 5 friends over to sit in the hottub for an hour one evening. The following morning the water smelled terrible and the Peroxysan showed non-existent on the test-strip. I had to add ANOTHER 4 litres (1 gallon) of Peroxysan and wait 2 days before the water cleared and the smell went away. I never had to monitor my tub and add so much chemical after only one used before in my life. Peroxysan is a light weight product that is not practical to use in the real world. It might be ok if you had only 1 or 2 people using the spa once a week but for anything else Peroxysan is a total failure !!! We have had such limited use of our spa since we got the Peroxysan that I am totally and completely disgusted with the product and results.

In my opinion Peroxysan is only good for one thing - To make money for the hottub dealer !!! I heard all sorts of success stories from the dealer about how many happy customers he had using the stuff but I am afraid the truth may have been stretched a little bit if my experience is anything to go by.

To give the local dealer some credit though, he did do the right thing when I complained about how much money I had spent on the Peroxysan and how disappointed I was with it. He set me up with a complete set of Bromine chemicals at no charge.

I refilled the tub last night and added the bromine. When I opened the lid this morning I was greeted by some more cloudy yellow soup. Again, Peroxysan and bromine do NOT MIX !!! The Peroxysan residue left in the lines was enough to contaminate all 2000 litres of water again. I am draining and rinsing the spa again and I hope to have it back up & running with clean water using Bromine by tonight.

Peroxysan is snake oil as far as I am concerned and is not a viable product to be used in spas or tubs in the real world. I would love to hear from anyone who uses Peroxysan and is happy with it. Maybe they could point out where(if) I went wrong using it? Has anyone else tried it and had similar disappointing results?

Thanks for your ears (and eyes).

Chris

Halifax, NS

Canada

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I find this funny that a Arctic spa dealer pushed this product because on another thread there was a guy having ALL!!! kinds of jet and leaking issues with his arctic spa and Blue Falls was trying to blame the issues on peroxide products used in the water, they said it breaks down the plastic.

LMFAO :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Hi, I purchased a Tundra Extreme form a local dealer in October of 2005. I have had nothing but problems with this spa from day one.

Arctic Spas responds:

There have been some issues with materials reacting to chemicals not approved by Blue Falls Manufacturing, makers of Arctic Spas. We are looking into the effect that different chemicals may have on the plastics used in spa products. For example, we are aware that hydrogen peroxide based products are hard on plastics, and many manufacturers refuse to warranty damage from the use of these products. We will soon follow suit.

By no means are we putting anyone "on the back burner" but we are trying to diagnose conditions and find solutions.

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I find this funny that a Arctic spa dealer pushed this product because on another thread there was a guy having ALL!!! kinds of jet and leaking issues with his arctic spa and Blue Falls was trying to blame the issues on peroxide products used in the water, they said it breaks down the plastic.

LOL :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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From: Thorsby, Alberta, Canada

Hi, I purchased a Tundra Extreme form a local dealer in October of 2005. I have had nothing but problems with this spa from day one.

Arctic Spas responds:

There have been some issues with materials reacting to chemicals not approved by Blue Falls Manufacturing, makers of Arctic Spas. We are looking into the effect that different chemicals may have on the plastics used in spa products. For example, we are aware that hydrogen peroxide based products are hard on plastics, and many manufacturers refuse to warranty damage from the use of these products. We will soon follow suit.

By no means are we putting anyone "on the back burner" but we are trying to diagnose conditions and find solutions.

Well...I know very little about sanitizers other than what I learned on this forum.

What I do know is that my friend who has a 15,000 gallon pool tried using peroxide as a sanitizer in his pool this summer. He obtained 55% hydrogen peroxide (I think from NASA) and started using it in his pool. Everything was fine, I was very skeptical. After about 6 weeks he started seeing his pool become cloudy even though he was keeping his peroxide at what he said was reasonable levels.....keep in mind he had used almost 40 gallons of peroxide in 6 weeks...so I am sure there was plenty in there. My suggestion is that it was an impending alge bloom. Turns out I was right, the peroxide was not strong enough to stop the growth. 7 days later his pool was so green you could see only 1 inch into the water.

We let the peroxide burn out, and added over 100ppm of chlorine (over time) to keep the pool in shock state for about a week. Killed everything and made a nice chlorine pool using my knowlege from this board (thanks nitro & chem geek)

The fun part was we still had 5 gallons of peroxide left (keep in mind this stuff is pretty much the other half of rocket fuel) So we made a big pile of wood, and poured the peroxide on it...it out gassed massive amounts of what I assume was oxygen...and made one hell of a fire when we lit it.

from my experience...just say no to peroxide!

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My first post... yay...

I'm a hot tub noobie. We're around 60 days in and I'm using Peroxysan. I got a case free with my tub and just had to buy a new case today. ($133)

We keep the ppm level above 100 and change the filter weekly. We got a lazy for a few weeks and neglected the maintenance. We got some milkly white crud floating around in the tub. :angry:

I shocked the tub with chlorine bleach. (about 3L) Turned the jets on high for about 5 min with the air bubbles on and closed the lid. After that I had the filter cycle turned on for 24/7. In 48hrs I changed the filter and we've been fine since. Oh... I also shocked the tub after with 8 cups of Peroxysan.

That was just 2 weeks ago. So far we're doing ok. The tub shop told me it's a chemical you have to be on top of. If you're not, you'll pay.

The original directions from the Peroxysan company said to keep the level of h2o2 above 100ppm. the new directions say to add a litre once or twice a week no matter what. :blink: Like the other poster said... who can afford that? Hello?

I found a contact in Guelph that sells 35% peroxide. I'm on the process of ordering a 5 gallon tub from him. With the new legistlation, it's a bit more involved to get, but it'll come eventually and it's under 1/2 the cost.

I'm very happy using h2o2. I love not smelling like chlorine when I get out of the tub. That's why we held of buying one for so many years...

I also have a sauna, but that's a story for another day. :lol:

If anyone has any questions about my experience, what I've done, etc... let me know

Cramp

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I do not recommend the use of Peroxysan in our spas at all, and our dealers should not be recommending the products either. If you PM me I can get you set up on a simple water chemistry program that will get you using your spa and keep your water safe and clean.

Kind regards,

James

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I do not recommend the use of Peroxysan in our spas at all, and our dealers should not be recommending the products either. If you PM me I can get you set up on a simple water chemistry program that will get you using your spa and keep your water safe and clean.

Kind regards,

James

We have been using Peroxysan. Things were fine for the first 2 months. We started having trouble a month ago. The water went cloudy and smelled bad. My husband drained the water and refilled the tub. It was fine for a month and then the water was cloudy and smelled bad again. Do we need to drain the tub again or is there something we can do to salvage the water?

Sask Dunker

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We have been using Peroxysan. Things were fine for the first 2 months. We started having trouble a month ago. The water went cloudy and smelled bad. My husband drained the water and refilled the tub. It was fine for a month and then the water was cloudy and smelled bad again. Do we need to drain the tub again or is there something we can do to salvage the water?

Sask Dunker

I recommend you shock the water with a disinfectant. You could get some sodium dichlor granules from your local hot tub retailer and add enough to raise the Chlorine level to 10 ppm and burn off some of the contaminants that are building up in your water and plumbing. You may have to repeat the shocking depending on how bad the issue is. I don't recommend using your spa until you do this. Your water is most likely cloudy and smelly because of a bacteria problem.

Just my suggestion. There are plenty of other more experienced water chemistry experts on this forum that may offer their suggestions too.

Let me know what you do and how it worked for you.

Kind regards,

James

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We have been using Peroxysan. Things were fine for the first 2 months. We started having trouble a month ago. The water went cloudy and smelled bad. My husband drained the water and refilled the tub. It was fine for a month and then the water was cloudy and smelled bad again. Do we need to drain the tub again or is there something we can do to salvage the water?

Sask Dunker

I think that you would do best by draining the tub and then following Nitro's decontamination procedure. Then, on refill after decontamination, you should switch to the dichlor then bleach method described in Nitro's maintenance post.

Shocking with chlorine while the tub contains hydrogen peroxide will not help because the peroxide will neutralize the chlorine.

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Chlorine and hydrogen peroxide will neutralize each other on a one mole to one mole basis. The chlorine oxidizes the hydrogen peroxide and the hydrogen peroxide reduces the chlorine.

H2O2 + HOCl --> O2 + H2O + H+ + Cl-

H2O2 + NaOCl --> O2 + H2O + Na+ + Cl-

H2O2 has a mass of 34.0147 grams/mole and chlorine (CL2) has a mass of 70.906 grams/mole.

Therefore, you would need about 2.08 ppm of chlorine per 1 ppm of hydrogen peroxide to end up with a zero balance for each.

Since the hydrogen peroxide is usually kept between 50 and 100 ppm, you would need 104 to 208 ppm of chlorine to neutralize all of the hydrogen peroxide.

After neutralizing the hydrogen peroxide, you could then chlorinate the water to decontaminate the water.

Although, it would be easier to just drain and refill.

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The Arctic spa dealer in Halifax is pushing peroxysan... my first try resulted in 3 months of trouble free water....mind you my usage isn't that high, and I was putting in 1/2 litre twice a week.... I missed one of these applications and my water went tits up in 48 hours....stinky and cloudy.... I have since drained and waiting on the refill... we have a baby due soon so I'm not sure if I'll fill right away as there will be probably a 2 week absence during the baby.... if no one does the chemicals the tub will be rotten again....

So here's my questions.... what's the best way to store or park a spa for summer..... and 2)the dealer not only suggested peroxysan but suggested a table spoon of chlorine shock every week....you chemical guys do you see any troubles with this?

Thanks

chill'n on the coast B)

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"Chlorine and hydrogen peroxide will neutralize each other"

Exactly. Why the hell do I keep finding sites and hearing dealers recommend mixing the two? I learned this the hard way.

I've never had cloudy water or smelly water. *knock on wood* The only problem I've had is biofilm and after a detox, I got it under control, but I started to notice a bit around the jets after the winter. Spa Flush, a scrubbin', fresh fill... voila. Everything seems ok again.

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I was happy with the product for a few months, but now the water is cloudy and has a smell. I changed the water but the problem returned after a few weeks. We also clean the filter often.  I’m thinking of going back to chorine. Any suggestions?

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