m3722 Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Just wondering if anyone uses the Nature 2 system. I wanted to know if you notice any difference in the water and if it does save on chemical use. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot H2o Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Just wondering if anyone uses the Nature 2 system. I wanted to know if you notice any difference in the water and if it does save on chemical use. Thanks, Depending on the spa brand. Hot Spring & Dimension One have better systems that enable Nature 2 to work well. D1 has a large Vision cartridge that lasts 6 months. But, without a good water management system don't count on a Nature 2 stick to do much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amanda Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 I don't think spa brand has a l;ot to do with the nature 2 system. I think the amount of usage has something to do with its effectiveness. I recomend it for people with "normal" usage of 2-3 people 20-30 minutes- 3 x's/wk. If there are numerous children or teenagers or it is a "party" spa, then I would recomend traditional chlorine. The nature system works great for someone with a sensitivity to chlorine. A little is still needed here and there but not as much as without the stick. This was printed off of their website (zodiacpoolcare.com) to help be a guide on how to use the Nat. 2 system. I changed a couple of minor words to help it be more understandable for folks that aren't as familiar with chemistry. Spa Recipe Ingredients • Nature2 Purifier • Non-chlorine oxidizer (potassium peroxymonosulfate) (shock)* • Nature2 Spa Test Strips** or Test kits (pH, total alkalinity) • pH and total alkalinity adjusting chemicals • Dichlor (chlorine) When: What to do: Purifier Start Up Drain and refill your spa. Balance water per dealer guidelines. Add 1 teaspoon of dichlor (chlorine) to spa per 250 gallons (approx. 1000 litres). (Note: 1 teaspoon = 1/4 ounce = 7 grams.) Every Day Run spa according to recommendation supplied to you by the manufacturer of your spa Before Each Use Add 1 tablespoon of potassium peroxymonosulfate (MPS/shock) to spa per 250 gallons (approx. 1000 litres) (Note: 1 tablespoon = 1 tablet = 3/4 ounce = 21 grams.) A convenient way to insure proper MPS level is to use a Nature2 Spa Test Strip. If the Nature2 Spa Test Strip indicates a low level of MPS, add 1 tablespoon of MPS to spa per 250 gallons and retest. Once A Week Add 3 tablespoons of potassium peroxymonosulfate(shock) to spa per 250 gallons (approx. 1000 litres). Check and adjust pH and total alkalinity. A convenient way to check pH and total, alkalinity levels is to use a Nature2 Spa Test Strip. Every 4 Months Drain and refill your spa. Replace Nature2 purifier, repeat purifier start-up. As Needed If water looks hazy, shock treat with 1 teaspoon of dichlor per 250 gallons (approx. 1000 litres) Important The Nature2 Spa Purifier is not to be used with products containing bromine, sodium bromide or biguanides. If these products are being used, be sure to drain and refill spa with fresh water. Note: • As an alternative to potassium monopersulfate(shock), dichlor(chlorine) may be substituted: 1 teaspoon dichlor(chlorine) = 3 tablespoons potassium peroxymonosulfate(shock). • The use of an efficient ozone generator with Nature2 may reduce the need for supplemental chemical treatments. * Potassium peroxymonosulfate(shock) may cause a lowering of the pH and total alkalinity of your spa water. Please monitor pH and total alkalinity at least once per week and adjust accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griffe Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 My spa is on its way, when I get it I play on using nature 2. I got a Sundance with a CD Ozonator and a .5 micron filter. I plan to have 1-4 people in it at a time (seats 7) and maybe use it 5 times a week (most of the time with only 2 people) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterbear Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Be aware that the Nature 2 is a copper/silver system and that the kill times for pathogens are very slow. It is necessary to keep a residual chlorine level for proper sanitation. The Austrailian governemnt recently passed legislation that requires ALL copper/silver systems, including Nature 2 to be used with NORMAL and not reduced chlorine levels in light of recent studies on kill times needed for water born pathogens. Remember that the small water volume and high bather load in a spa makes proper sanitation a necessity! Water borne illnesses from spas are well documented. IMHO, the use of Nature2 with only MPS will NOT provide proper sanitation of the water and even with a .5 ppm FC residual it is doubtful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brulan1 Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Be aware that the Nature 2 is a copper/silver system and that the kill times for pathogens are very slow. It is necessary to keep a residual chlorine level for proper sanitation. The Austrailian governemnt recently passed legislation that requires ALL copper/silver systems, including Nature 2 to be used with NORMAL and not reduced chlorine levels in light of recent studies on kill times needed for water born pathogens. Remember that the small water volume and high bather load in a spa makes proper sanitation a necessity! Water borne illnesses from spas are well documented. IMHO, the use of Nature2 with only MPS will NOT provide proper sanitation of the water and even with a .5 ppm FC residual it is doubtful. Can you please post the source. Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbee Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 I am pretty much the only person who is going to use my small spa (110). I don't want harsh chemicals as I am very sensitive. Which would be better for me as far as ease of use, etc., Baquaspa or Nature2? I am getting nervous about all the work involved to care for the spa. -cbee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterbear Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Can you please post the source. Thanks in advance Gladly, some of the info comes right off the Nature2 Austrailia website where they say that FC should be at least 1 ppm and higher in pools that use stabilizer. Quite different than the U.S. instructions that call for .5 ppm and make no mention at all of CYA! It is interstesting that the Australian website does not have the spa 'recipe' that uses only N2 and MPS on it like the Amercian website does, nor do they provide any info at all about the N2 'spa sticks other than a product description web page. http://www.apvma.gov.au/qa/poolspa_FAQ_May2005.shtml http://www.apvma.gov.au/qa/poolspa_recallupdate.shtml http://www.apvma.gov.au/qa/poolspa_Q&A.shtml http://www.apvma.gov.au/qa/spa_list_Oct_2005.shtml http://www.nature2.com.au/template.cfm?page=FAQ http://www.nature2.com.au/template.cfm?page=Installation There is more but I think this is enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterbear Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Can you please post the source. Thanks in advance I have noticed that you have posted in other threads since asking my for sources of my info but have not commented on the sources I provided. Any reason, Brulan1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brulan1 Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 I have noticed that you have posted in other threads since asking my for sources of my info but have not commented on the sources I provided. Any reason, Brulan1? Probably over looked. Can you direct me to which source you are refering me too. Also, That is interesting about Nature 2, thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterbear Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Probably over looked. Can you direct me to which source you are refering me too. Also, That is interesting about Nature 2, thanks again. They are in my post 2 posts up but I will cut and paste them from that post here for you since you didn't see them Gladly, some of the info comes right off the Nature2 Austrailia website where they say that FC should be at least 1 ppm and higher in pools that use stabilizer. Quite different than the U.S. instructions that call for .5 ppm and make no mention at all of CYA! It is interstesting that the Australian website does not have the spa 'recipe' that uses only N2 and MPS on it like the Amercian website does, nor do they provide any info at all about the N2 'spa sticks other than a product description web page. http://www.apvma.gov.au/qa/poolspa_FAQ_May2005.shtml http://www.apvma.gov.au/qa/poolspa_recallupdate.shtml http://www.apvma.gov.au/qa/poolspa_Q&A.shtml http://www.apvma.gov.au/qa/spa_list_Oct_2005.shtml http://www.nature2.com.au/template.cfm?page=FAQ http://www.nature2.com.au/template.cfm?page=Installation There is more but I think this is enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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