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  1. Thanks everyone will get a pre filler
  2. Hey all.. My Arctic Yukon which I've had for just 4 years has begun to show rust deposits that settle on the chrome part of the Jets. They do wipe off with little effort and the filters regularly have this same brownish deposit on em. This deposit now is tinting the water to a green colour (most likely yellow water in a blue shell?) The PH is held at 7.6 TA is about 50 FCL at 5ppm Salt at 2300 ppm So the water is well balanced. Water was replaced in October and I always use clean start as part of my cleanout to refill procedure Seeklear metal remover seems to have a temporary effect. Does anyone have any clues to whether it truly is the components rusting or is it copper in The water?
  3. Hey guys got the salt analyzed at a lab. Seems to be mostly chloride. Attached are screenshots of the results.
  4. Awesome. I have asked an independent lab if they are willing to analyze the salt blend. Will keep ya'll updated . Will also follow your procedure of TA up and PH down and will report back. So I just want to clarify one aspect of sanitization. With no CYA and a PH of 7.7 to 7.8 and FCL at 5ppm is my sanitizing efficacy materially hampered by the PH being in this 7.7 to 7.8 range vs if the PH was 7.4 for example?
  5. Regarding Arctic salt :"Natural Sea Salt Water Care. A unique blend of natural Dead Sea Salt and proprietary water clarifiers designed specifically for the Onzen Water Care System Is there a way to test if what they are selling is sodium chloride or sodium bromid?
  6. -Its using the arctic spa dead sea salts and its definitely a chlorine tub as per the user manuals : https://arctichottubparts.com/hot-tub-care/salt-water-care/onzen-sodium-chloride-sea-salt-blend-2kg-pail.html From the manufacturer: "When the salt chlorinator produces chlorine, it raises the pH of the spas water. Strive to achieve a Low pH level 7.2. pH must not exceed 7.6". " Salt systems naturally drive pH levels to increase, strive to achieve a balanced pH level" "adding salt to the spas water will increase the pH level. The chlorine that is produced by a salt chlorinator plays a role in the water chemistry of a salt spa. Salt is sodium chloride. When an electric charge is passed through salt water, the sodium chloride is turned into sodium hypochlorite. This is the same kind of chlorine that is sold by the gallon as liquid chlorine. The most important feature of sodium hypochlorite is a high pH. When the salt chlorinator produces chlorine, it raises the pH of the spas water. Strive to achieve a Low pH level 7.2. pH must not exceed 7.6" "It is recommended that calcium be removed from the water in advance, during the fill process with the aid of a pre-filter and when establishing initial correct water chemistry, rather than adding a scale remover after the fact. Calcium readings below 150ppm should be maintained" "545 – 550 mV Spa Boy Optimum Range. (Optimum Range is the default factory setting, the user may adjust higher if preferred by contacting their dealer to have it adjusted. ) Depending on the water chemistry which will be effected by bather load and spa usage, at times the ORP value will overshoot or undershoot the Optimum Range. Note: Using a Drop Test Kit, a 0.5ppm Chlorine reading = approximately 550mV" - My current ORP is ay 850 MV and I keep the FCL high because if you keep it at 545 mv the water gets so cloudy after use and takes forever to get back to normal as they say adding granular chlorine shock is not recommended as it poisons the ORP sensor - No mention at all of CYA from the manufacturer. - What's really confusing me now is the game of achieving TA =50 ppm and then having the PH rise to 7.9 and then lowering the PH and hence lowering the TA and the process starts again with no clear stabilization in my opinion. Is it possible that saltwater spas with borates (manufacturer makes no reference to borates) maybe are ok with the low TA ? -I will let PH go to 8.0and then lower the PH to 7.6 and report back on my success. Will turn off the aerators Really really appreciate the troubleshooting help!
  7. Thank you waterbear for the great information The bucket trick raised the TA to 40ppm but the PH also shot up to 7.86 (I have an orp probe) so yes you are right it does not work. You ask about stabilizer. I have no stabilizer in my tub I have never added any cyanuric acid. Should I be adding CYA? I always thought CYA is a part of dichlor hence it comes with the package and since I'm generating chlorine from a salt cell I wouldn't need to bother with CYA Will a TA of 30ppm corrode my components? Or is it really the low PH that is responsible for component corrosion? My tub is an Arctic Yukon I'm assuming it's fiberglass Will raise the CH to 200 as you suggest. You also mentioned chlorine in efficency at high PH is only if you have no stabilizer since my PH is in the high range is this another reason to add CYA?
  8. Thank you. I was actually looking at the same site yesterday. There appears to be a "bucket trick" to increase alkalinity but not ph. Will attempt soon and post results here.
  9. Thank you. I was actually looking at the same site yesterday. There appears to be a "bucket trick" to increase alkalinity but not ph. Will attempt soon and post results here.
  10. Interesting article on ph rise in saltwater systems. The question I have now is does a low TA really cause corrosion or is it the low PH that is assumed you have just because you have low TA? https://www.poolspanews.com/how-to/maintenance/solving-the-saltwater-ph-problem_o
  11. I have a feeling the salt contibutes to the ph rise.
  12. Hey guys. New water and I'm struggling with this how are these readings even possible (confirmed ph with Taylor kit and the spa boy probe) If I add baking soda to increase TA won't it drive the PH even higher? (The PH is slowly drifting up but not much by 0.1 over 3 days) Saltwater tub with salt =2200ppm FCL =5ppm Temperature = 98F Borates =50ppm CH measured before adding chemicals =130ppm
  13. I have wondered the same. I let mine just float.
  14. I have a 2016 Arctic Yukon. Never had an issue with the onZen. Do you have the spa boy as well? Check that the onZen is set for 24 hrs a day in the app. Also check that the electrode housing is not corroded and that salt levels are good. My issues are the hardware breaking down pumps/heaters/fuses
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