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Are you sure you didn't mean "geldingboy"? (Sorry, stallion, I just couldn't resist... )

Interesting how easy a topic like this gets turned into a tp v. ff horse whipping but, I guess I'll throw this in as well: Though I have a blowerless tp spa that works as advertised, I have to agree with the ff'ers regarding the turnover of air from within the tp for tp spas that do have a blower (which companies do this?). Either way, cooler/cold air is introduced into the tub. Possibly the heat from the motors will add to the temp a bit but I just don't see how the temp could not be substantially lower in the same way that it is with ff/blower spas. Just another reason why I prefer blowerless spas....

If HS spas are so easy to sell and sell themselves, why does HS have a sales training program? I'm sorry, I have to disagree that they sell themselves...HS spas aren't THAT good. I seriously considered an HS tub but I wasn't sold one and I'm sure there are many, many more people who are similar. I would suggest salesmanship rule #1: Don't underestimate the competition. Painting a picture that HS sells themselves is underestimating the competition...and you may be short-selling yourself. It is good that you believe in the product you represent to the degree that you do but don't think for a moment that everyone believes what you believe.

I suggest you invest in a life and some personality......

Not fond of'em though I did consider a SD Cameo when I was looking. I feel like the blower motor sounds too much like an old vacuum cleaner.

Let me amend my statement to sidestep those extremely few individuals you mentioned: For those who are buying a spa for it's intended use, therapy, dealer comfort and price are the most important points to ponder when buying a spa. Filtration using 24 hr. circ pumps or not is unimportant--both do the job if well engineered and maintained. All the rest is gum-flapping including most, if not all of this thread.

pt, Did you not see my response to your questions? Look at page 1 of this thread and let me know if I can be of further help.

Might I suggest that you not follow the example of the HS dealer that ptcather mentioned. Your comments are diluted by negativity just as the HS dealer's sales potential is harmed by his. BTW, I'm only familiar with 2 MS dealers and neither told any of the stories you claim. Then again, the ones you are talking about would be discussing their own products and not bashing others.

I own an MS LSX which I'm very happy with after almost 2 years of service. I highly recommend the MS line. I'm not familiar with the DE line except that it is the secondary MS line as Roger mentions. With that said, I would suggest that you let your wet tests, dealer comfort and budgetary constraints be your guides. If you can afford to buy any manufacturer's primary line of tubs, do so. If you cannot afford the primary line, then look secondary. Dealer comfort is a major consideration. I certainly wouldn't buy from the HS dealer you mentioned--no sales technique is less effective that trashing the competition...the primary reason I wouldn't consider a Sundance purchase...our local SD dealer was way more concerned that I know all of the shortcomings of the local HS dealer rather than concentrating on the features of his own tubs...immediate turn-off. To address your questions: 1) Since I'm not familiar with the DE line, go with the MS line if your budget allows. I love my LSX and, so far, all systems have operated properly save one spinner jet that was replaced under warranty. 2&3) I would not be worried about the filtration on the DE. I'm sure it is more than adequate though I might add that those tubs with ozonators and/or 24 hr. circulation pumps MAY allow for a bit less sanitizer use and possibly a bit less user intervention. 4) MS has 3 therapy pumps and 1 24 hr. circ pump. This setup is in no way overkill. Actually, the three therapy pumps (2--2 speed, 1--1 speed) along with the adjustability of individual jets gives the MS line a very high degree of adjustability...probably the most outstanding feature of MS. If you want a very rigorous massage or if you desire a nice, light relaxing soak, the MS pump/jet setup is very effective. 5) As I said previously, if you can afford the primary manufacturer's line, definitely go for it. If your budget is constrained, go secondary. I reiterate: Wet test, wet test, wet test. Find a dealer with which you are comfortable. Buy as much tub as your budget can afford. Best of luck in your search.

Forget the math....forget the debate. If one chooses a spa because of a circ pump or not, then one is missing the whole point of owning a spa. Both systems will keep water clean if the owner does his/her job. Therapy and dealer comfort are the keys....everything else is gum flapping..... Please put a fork in this thread....

To emphasize Jack L's reply: Do not belittle the competition. Talk about your own product and why you feel it's features are the best value. Two of the dealers I visited when looking belittled their competition which immediately turned me off. Another dealer plus is encouragement to wet test. One of the dealers I visited when looking (who happened to be one of the two mentioned above) did not allow wet tests in his showroom! Red flags immediately popped up. When I wet tested, I brought my own towel, swim trunks, etc. I've seen where some dealers offer towels and trunks to wet testers. This would have made a VERY favorable impression on me.

Sorry it has taken so long to answer your post. The deal I cut with the dealer included delivery and setup...that was the way I negotiated the price so I have no idea what the cost was to me. Do drive to Jax and check out the D1 and Marquis line....they are both very well regarded spas. Good luck with your search.

Balsam, I feel your pain re: limited choices. I live just south of Tallahassee and found my spa, MasterSpas LSX, in Tampa which, at that time (2 years ago) was the only MS dealer in FL. Fortunately, now, Tallahassee has an MS dealer. When I was looking, only Leisure Bay and Hot Springs were represented in Tallahassee and then a brand new Sundance dealer opened in the area. Unfortunately, the new SD dealer gave me no positive vibes and was ruled out accordingly even though I was impressed with the Cameo wet test. I ruled out the Leisure Bay from a quality standpoint. I wet tested the HS tubs...they were very nice quality-wise but the price and the therapy kept me looking. Other dealers....D1, Jacuzzi, Marquis....were anywhere from 65 to 150 miles away and the MS dealer in Tampa was about 200 miles away. I went to Tampa and wet tested the LSX and loved the therapy. After negotiating on the price for a month or so, we were able to strike a deal and I've been pleased with the decision ever since. I would suggest you look outside of Gainesville and find the tub that is the best fit for you. If you get lucky and find "your" tub in Gainesville, that is the best case scenario....having a local dealer is indeed important. But settling for a local dealer by buying a tub that does not have suitable therapy is a mistake, IMO. Good luck with your search.

I would no more buy a spa with a built-in sound system than I would buy a sound system with a built-in spa.

Oh.....I see now.....this thread is about fisrt timer.....