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  1. jtravel

    Haven Spas

    I'm new to the board and had no idea about all the past history. I'm just trying to learn as much as possible befor i decide what type of Spa I want to invest in. originally I considered just getting a low end Spa to see if the wife and I would actually use one enough to justify a high quality Spa purchase. A low end Spa however wouldn't likely give us the benefit of true hydrotherpy and just be a waste of time and money doomed to failure. We need the Hydrotherpy benefit but with Arizona summer temps 100 degrees plus I just don't think we are going to want to get in a Hot Spa.
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    Oc Spa Magestic M850l $4999.99

    I was leaning toward a Thermal Pane design at first because of its energy efficiency and ease to get at and repair. I live in Arizona, a hot climate and have some concerns now about higher temps in the cabinet causing premature failure of electronics and pumps. Would I be better with a full Foam tub in this situation?
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    Haven Spas

    Does anyone have any experience with Haven Spa's? I stumbled across them on the net recently and after reading thru a lot of their information I became very interested. They seem to serve a nitch market and claim to build quality Spa's based on sound engineering principles.
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    Oc Spa Magestic M850l $4999.99

    looking around for background info I ran across this on another on site: The first independent test in 1994 that evaluated the rise in temperature the spa water received from two jet pumps in a real* Coleman Spa that was tested. There was a temperature rise of 14 degrees, on high speed, just from the pumps over an 8 hour period. These were 1.5 HP pumps by the way; very small horsepower by today's standards. On low speed, with just the filter pump, the rise was 4 degrees over 8 hours. In 1996 another test was performed by the Universities of Arizona and Colorado here is a synopsis of the results with my notes in brackets “{}” "a fully insulated spa {full foam} makes no attempt to recover and use waste heat." (Tong and Rogers 1996). "...the performance of an insulating system which makes use of a thermal barrier {Thermally Sealed}, generated by waste heat rejected from the motors and pumps, in an enclosed air cavity around the tub is superior to a system which simply insulates the tub directly." In a recent test done in Alberta Canada, the Thermally Closed Arctic spa came in very high compared to some popular spas.
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    Oc Spa Magestic M850l $4999.99

    How much someone electric bill went up is a poor method to measure overall efficency unless you know their usage pattern. Leave the cover off for extended periods of time running jets in the winter and the electric usage is going to climb. someone else may leave it covered all the time and use it once a week if even that and have a low increased electric usage. I can't seem to find the history of problems associated with OC Spa's by Cal Spa sold thru Costco. The problems I have read about are the older Spa's from Manufactures that went out of business and no longer sold by Costco. OC spas have Full Foam insulation and that seems to be the norm from most Spa manufactures Until you get to the top of the line premium spa's with well insulated thermally sealed cabinets that take advantage of the waste heat from the Spa motors. What I’m slowly coming to the conclusion is most Spas’ on the market from big box stores and Spa dealers from most manufactures are poorly designed and cheaply manufactured to drive profits. You have to get up in the $9,000 range before you can find a well engineered quality Spa that will last many years and be maintainable. Higher price alone does not guarantee this however so its buyer beware when buying from a dealer as well as a big box store. This is part of the reason Spa sales are way down and manufactures and dealers are going out of business.
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    Oc Spa Magestic M850l $4999.99

    What in your opinion would make a great Spa and where is this one lacking? I look at the Specs and it seems good other than the full Foam insulation.
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    Costco Won't Take Back My Spa

    I agree, it depends on the specific person and situation. It’s a Fact of life however that some people will try and exploit every loophole in a policy and every courtesy a business offers their customers. It’s the Few that ruin good things for the many. Costco will likely be forced to define the specific details of their satisfaction policy with terms and limits in the future. It seems that Manufactures are the ones actually taking the Hit when a customer returns a product to Costco. They should insist on limits in their contracts with Costco if they don't already have them.
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    Costco Won't Take Back My Spa

    Sorry if my Posts came across that way. I don't know your character as a person or the real hard facts behind your experience with the Spa. I apologize if I judged you wrongly. If you truly suffered with this Spa for 8 years and feel you Are owed a refund then by all means escalate your case to Costco corporate for review.
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    Costco Won't Take Back My Spa

    Its a customer satisfaction policy that allows you to return a purchase your not sastified with, Its not a lifetime Guarentee. I think alittle common sense in order here but beyond that It is just ethically wrong to believe its ok to exploite the policy in this manner. You do what you think you have to do. Bring a lawsuit against Costco if thats what you feel is the right thing to do.
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    Oc Spa Magestic M850l $4999.99

    That Topic was for a totally different Spa. The links to that Spa on Costco are dead. This Spa has more jets,better & warranty cover with lifter. costs more as well. Can I get a better Spa than this from a Spa dealer for the same money?
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    Spa Energy Usage

    They are suppose to be Lab tested and certified to comply with California certification requirements. You have a specific example where you feel the information is wrong? I will be glad to forward it to the California Energy commision for comment.
  12. Costco online Currently has the OC Magestic M850L By Cal Spa for $4999.99 I keep reading here that Costco sells poorly built low end Spa's I would like to hear from all the all experts and Costco bashers alike. whats wrong with this Spa? http://calspas.net/images/swf/oc-hot-tubs-m850l-specs.html
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    Costco Won't Take Back My Spa

    I can see your point that Costco is still a middleman. They Just let the Factory deal with shipping and warranty repair and add a smaller markup. When I go into a Spa dealer its like buying a Car. The salesmen is always playing games to see how much he can get out of the customers. I just don't enjoy spending alot of my time playing games with the sales staff.
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    Spa Energy Usage

    Here is a link to the database of spas that Meet energy usage requirements and approved for sale in California. I found it useful in checking R-value of insulation and operating costs of the Spas listed. http://www.energy.ca.gov/appliances/databa.../Pool_Products/
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    Costco Won't Take Back My Spa

    Sorry, double post
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