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This forum has been so helpful for our Jacuzzi 495 which I have finally mastered! We have a cocktail (meaning small! 8ftx12ft) in our Florida home haha only slightly larger than our CT jacuzzi! . The pool is the last of our full gut renovation. We will be renting the house out weekly as its a vacation spot for a few years but then plan on retiring there. We will have a pool company care for it until we are there. Right now it is pea green ...the pump etc..all will need replacement. I am looking for advice on what system to buy. We were thinking salt water vs. chlorine. Any advice is so appreciated:) TIA

ps hjames710, ...Eukabana???Do you mean Eukanuba?? We too have a golden, a puppy, our 3rd golden, (our other 2 lived healthier and longer than most) and Eukanuba is not one of the best feeds. Dogs are not meant to have grains. Raw is the way to go and don't get me started on what vaccines do to goldens (our sweet Mackenzie was seizing within a few hours of her parvo vaccine)....Let's just agree to disagree and down the road we will see who is wise......

Chem Geek I can tell you are a kind person based on your posts. You have an open mind and you research and then make your decisions based on that. You are absolutely right that it is not the mass that vaccines trigger autism in but those with a certain genetic link. Hypotheses link the mitochondria of autistic children and vaccines have been recovered in the guts of these autistic children. My twins had a high pitched shrill after pertussis. It went on for hours and they were inconsolable. As a nurse, I recognized that it was similar to my infants I cared for with brain swelling. My pediatrician was wonderful. He listened to me and documented their response. Talking to parents with autistic children their parents often describe what I just did. They gave another dose....I did not. We are a very judgemental society. The red yeast rice studies showing kidney damage were supplements not the actual red yeast rice in China. And Ja4496 again easy to be flip! Americans can learn a lot from Eastern medicine. I've been in western medicine for 25+ years and trust me, WE don't have a clue! I was an OB nurse on the front lines with hepB, listened to my patients , and refused to give the vaccine. Now I sleep well at night. Will spend the rest of my life listening to parents and patients and keeping an open mind. CDC, FDA report scientific studies all the time. I am in the trenches with the families with the loved ones who are vaccine -injured, have guillane-barre, ALS, etc. Many of whom have had a vaccine just prior to the incident, including the nursing professor in CT this year. Regardless of all of this, someone should be able to post on this forum with concerns of ozone or uvc or chemicals without being belittled. Chem geek thank you for your time.

Ps. I'm going to get my copper sulfate and enzymes since that is in antithesis to what you would recommend and throw some sphagnum (not sphagnm as you wrote) moss in for good measure. There is a lot more to life than science is all I'm saying. And you have seen a lot in your field well so have I, the CDC and FDA are not infallible. I get what your saying about the science behind ozone in different situations and I respect your opinion. Enough said.

FDA banned it, no kidding? That's so the pharmaceutical companies can profit....and again, I know "it's ALL statins" not just one.Obviously, Co Q10 is a supplement..the point is most cardiologists don't give their patients the info to take it. Don't take red yeast rice or anything else because I follow a healthy *** and take NO meds (doesn't sound like you can say the same). Must admit had a glass of wine at dinner and transposed the words! Again, closed minded because you are wrong. Show me an actual study about kidney issues with red yeast rice? That is what the FDA says about it being similar to "statin drugs" and that's why they banned it.It's the actual statins that cause those issues not the red yeast rice. Check the studies in China. Studies actually have shown the red yeast rice has none of the statin side effects. BTW coq10 helps renal perfusion.. You were smart to have taken the red yeast rice instead of A STATIN and dumb to listen to the FDA! That is my point. Consumers need to know the truth and not be puppets. BTW cinnamon helps as well 1/2 teaspoon every day. Your last post is more pompous rhetoric. BTW have you seen the movie "WIT". I highly recommend it. May teach you that there is more to life than big words.

I would consider water the most under-rated nutrient out there. It is essential for all of our systems regulations. I am also quite aware of what DHMO stands for. I even know the difference between aerobic and anerobic bacteria as well as how bacteria are classified....I was looking for advice on sanitation as a newbie. I know that water is used for laser cutting and all sorts of things that used improperly can be dangerous. Walking out your front door can be dangerous! I'm very familiar with water-borne, air-borne, and blood-borne pathogens. The best defense is eating well, meaning no processed foods, exercise, stress-reduction and handwashing! Appreciate your advice on Chlorine and Bromine, but your posts are so darn condescending and dismissive, not sure I can trust your advice. It makes you seem closed-minded. This has nothing to do with the subject but let me give you two examples of why I seek advice and am skeptical when it comes to dangers for one's health. A huge population is on Lipitor, the cholesterol drug. Lipitor depletes coQ-10 enzyme which is,like water, necessary for all body functions. The difference is, we cannot replenish coQ10 once it is depleted as it it is not found in food...The other issue is that Lipitor is muscle-wasting. Guess what? The heart is a muscle. The incidence of CHF (Congestive Heart Failure), (kind of like your DHMO), is on the rise! Even more important, Red Rice Yeast is a natural statin that has been proven to be as effective for lowering cholesterol WITHOUT the side effects. How many people are on Lipitor without CoQ10?? Do people even know there are natural alternatives? Second example, late eighties, early ninetees, newborns were given Hep B vaccine in hospital. Parents complained that their babies were dying or being vaccine-injured after vaccination. It was chalked up to sids . They were told they were crazy. Guess what took well more than a year, but the CDC finally admitted that Thimersol, the preservative in the vaccines, had Mercury at 40x the safe dose for an adult (given to newborns with an immature immune system) (like any Mercury is safe). That Mercury led to brain swelling. Do you know that nut oils are in vaccines? Wonder why we have an epidemic in nut allergies? TRUE FACTS. Neither are made up. Have you heard of Hippocrates? He said Food is medicine!!! We've come a long way from his philosophy in medicine and with all the drugs handed out like candy he's probably turning in his grave!How bout Semmelweis? He was laughed at when he said handwashing is the key to fighting disease and puerperal death in childbirth. Took 50 years for the medical establishment and general population to agree that he was right! Do you know how many people died because his hypothesis was ignored???Do these points belong in a hot tub forum????Definitely not!!! But in the future before you judge and respond to consumers concerns you may want to realize that some are quite educated and their concerns are based on previous life experiences. So tone down your condescending script or don't reply on this forum. SO...people should investigate Ozone is all I'm saying. I have and again I don't expect anyone to do as I do. Thank you to the others for your advice on sanitizing. If any of you are on Lipitor, please investigate what I've said.

OK Water bear, you're making me wish I had stuck to a bath tub! And agree, I'm not an expert by any means just a mom trying to educate myself to do the best for my family. I have learned though, that what is often stated as "safe", down the road ends up being deadly. So that is where I am coming from. Thanks for all of the advice.

hjames710 there is a huge difference between ozonators in a pool and a hot tub. In a pool, the ozonating (not sure that's an actual word) is done in the pipes to be sure ozone never reaches the swimmer, from what I've researched, the ozone created in a hot tub (from the unstable free radical "o" that kills the bacteria but only stays in the water for a short time sits between the water and the cover. It decays the cover quicker and most sights I've seen say should not be used indoors as it's toxic. I am not telling anyone to believe as I do. I am only saying I have done hours of research and based my choices on that. I am not just making statements "like my sister uses ozone in a pool". I am a nurse who listens to my patients and have seen a lot. Waterbear you might want to think twice about judging. You may not agree with me but my choices are based on researching. Are you saying when you lift the cover from a spa to get in Ozone is not released? I have learned after seeing patients pass, and others thrive, that being judgemental is a fault. Whether it's vaccines, birth,death, or using ozone...I have learned that if I keep my eyes open to all possibilities...I will be a better person. Now, back to the Presidential debate....another topic we could all debate!

OMG, I was kidding! Not about the ozonators but about the apple cider vinegar. It is an antifungal, antibacterial, anti-viral though! I was honestly asking for advice on which of the EPA recommended sanitizers (leaning toward chlorine or bromine) is healthiest. Can't believe you all took my post so literally. Don't want to get in to vaccines, so let's not bring that up again but remember there was a time when everyone thought the Earth was flat? I can't be the only one worried about ozonators causing lung damage? PS. I took Microbiology, Biochem, Physics, Organic and Chem and got A's in all! I was kidding about not paying attention but trying to make a pun about how confusing running a hot tub is.....And I'm not crazy, so stop judging, I'v raised 4 children to adulthood (well number 4 almost there) with no cavities, no antibiotics or meds and no illness so I obviously want to do the right thing in my hot tub! Tough crowd....

I may resort to adding Apple Cider Vinegar and starting a new trend! We use it for everything else and my 4 kids have never had a sick visit or been on antibiotics! Will let you all know if it helps! Of course the smell....there won't be enough aromatherapy to hide that. I am hoping waterbear is wrong (don't mean that disrespectfully). I have read and spoke to others that say it has cut down on the amount of chemicals. Will soon see. Either way an ozonator was out for me. Wish I had paid attention at UCONN in chemistry class!!

Thank you!

Ozonators are dangerous as are vaccines! Hot tubs are not deep enough for the free radicals to all bind. Ozone gas forms between the water and cover. Look what it does to the tub cover..Imagine what it does to our lungs......

Spent countless hours researching. Ruled out ozonators and ended up with the Jacuzzi J495. I felt like I floated in all other hot tubs than Jacuzzi and the other jets were itchy. IMO! Guess that's why wet testing i so important!

Refused to buy an ozonator as the gas is toxic! Please be careful those of you that have them! I know chemicals are less than ideal so we went with the UVC in the jacuzzi J495 hoping to decrease the chemicals used. UVC is also carcinogenic but it is in the shell and doesn't come in contact with us. Have read reviews that it is useless but it has been used for years in sanitizing ponds successfully so I'm hoping I won't regret our decision. Was looking at salt tubs but still need chemicals. Anyone have any advice for sanitizing healthy? P.S. What the heck is the mark up on these tubs?? We were quoted 12998 for the J495 locally. Next state over had a blemished one for 11,300. Instantly our local said she could get us new for 11,200 delivered. We were looking at the 375 for 8750 but for less than 3,000 we got quite an upgrade!