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[mcaimless]

We're comparing pool quotes in the Phoenix valley and have narrowed it down to Presidential and Paddock as our final choices. It's a tough call. The Paddock people were pretty slick and I've read a couple horror stories (albiet all a few years old) online. But I've seen bad things about all the big pool companies and right now they are hungrier and building fewer pools and hopefully more accountable...
The biggest thing we're struggling with is the new in-floor cleaning system Paddock offers called the PCC 2000. Per Paddock:

"Built into the floor and walls of your pool during construction
Pop-up nozzles located throughout the pool bottom shoot streams of water that push debris to the drain area
Patented MDX® Main Drain Debris Removal System uses an efficient pump system to transfer waste from the main drain to an easy-to-clean canister at deck level
Superior efficiency in water circulation saves you money on chemical & energy costs
Custom-designed for your pool
Our Money-Back Guarantee promises your PCC2000® will clean better than any automatic swimming pool cleaner on the market** "

We went to their pool display store and the salesman threw a handful of gravel into a pool and we saw them come out into the catch canister right away. It's supposed to be far superior to the older type in-floor system. But what do I know?

Does ANYONE have any experience with this system and know anything about it, especially how it performs in the long-term?

[txpoolguy]

The PCC2200 is made by Paramount Pool Systems, (I googled pcc2200) who has a reliable reputation in the industry. Paramount has been around longer than most of their competitors, so it's probably a good choice. You can go to paramount's website to see what you're getting. A couple of things to consider while you choose:

1. Who will perform service on the floor jets or diverter valve during warranty and after warranty?
2. Are there local warranty agents for that product - OTHER THAN your pool builder.
3. What do the warranties cover, and what do they exclude? Read the fine print & maybe even call the mfg. to confirm.
4. Can you get a list of happy customers with that product?
5. How do they verify their "money back guarantee"? You'd have to have a different cleaner to compare it to, wouldn't you?

Often, you will need a very large Horsepower pump to drive the infloor system. How efficient is this, compared to a smaller pump with a different kind of cleaner? Two speed pumps are generally 25-30% more efficient while in low speed, but low speed won't run your infloor system. Look at your long-term energy usage and different options for long-term savings.

[ed3553]

I sell pools and always try to talk people out of this. Below I will list my reasons for you. I have been in the industry for 15 years and have installed, serviced and sold. Hope this will help you make your choice.

1. Anything build into the pool wall or floor is another potential for failure.
2. 99.9% of the time the warranty will only cover the part that fails. The warranty will not cover labor. When that systems fails you have a potential for a very expensive repair.
3. Look at the cost of this system and ask yourself if you can really justify spending that amount of money to have it installed. keep in mind the cost and aggervation of failures down the road or it not working to your expectation.

In summary I personnally would never put a system like that on my own pool. I would invest in a automatic pool cleaner like the aquabot, tigershark or dolphin. They are one of the more expensive ones on the market but will with out a doubt perform to your satisfaction. If you skimp on the pool cleaner your going to get what you pay for. If you are not willing to spend the 1100 - 1400 on one of the three I mentioned just clean the pool manually. Other cleaners on the market will perform ok but will not catch alot of fine particals. The three I mentioned have there own bag that you will empty as needed. Keeping that dirt from entering the filter system and the bags are easy to empty.

Oh one other thing you said you heard horror stories I can tell you from when I worked on the service side of it. Any pool build that builds a large amount of pools a year will have some problems arrise. This is unavoidable. People tell you to ask for three prior customers or so that the builder installed. Lets be honest the build will not send you to an unhappy customer. When I sell a pool to a customer I provide them our customer list with several hundred names and I let them make the choice of who they call. If the build will not give you this due to his customers not wanting this information given out, ask that builder to give you a list of nine people that they ran into problems. Preferable 3 from the current year, 3 from the previous year and 3 to the year prior to that. This will give you a good idea of how that builder will handle a problem in the event something happens. Hope this helps you. Good luck

[Pool Clown]

Quantum? would you like to take this? (testking)

[quantumchromodyn...]

http://www.ripoffreport.com/Paddock-Pools-...ipoff-DZ245.htm

December 07 2003.

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jamesss is also responsible for this other fake post http://www.poolspaforum.com/forum/index.ph...amp;#entry84108

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[quantumchromodyn...]

As far as the in-floor cleaning systems go, I recommend against them. Part of the theory is that the cleaning heads will push all of the dirt and leaves to the main drain where they will be sucked up. This has never worked well in real world pools.

Now, the new main drain covers have holes that are too small to allow any significant dirt to be sucked up.