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just like in life one person wrecks it for everyone else anyway thanks richard my water is crystal clear, smells goood and is cheap to maintain thanks to you! Jason

Fellas I have had air injection problem as of late, when I bought the tub used I had one side of the tub not working the warrnaty on it came in and the repair guy came out cleaned and lubed the jets etc and over a period of three days the jets came alive. So much that it will hurt your back with air for over a month, then the last couple of days I lost one side of the tub again. The repair guy blew compressed air from my shop into the air intakes would there be some scale or deposits in the air lines causing this blockage if so are there things that can clean a spa of these with out dumping water as we are still pretty cold up here to be draining water.Exactly how does the jet inject the air if you pull the jet out you get no air with the jet in(the ones that work) you get air so it must be something the jet is doing. The tub is a beachcomer tub.

Well got the TF-100 kit Ph 7.2, T alk 90, Cal 210, CYA 30 ( i think crappy test), chlorine was 0 but we had been on holidays for 3 days I will dose the tub and try to keep the Chlorine up to burn anything off until it can be 2-3 ppm in 24 hrs. Everything seems to be in line...

Richard I only have the FC test I believe it is the R-0001 dpd and #1 R-OOO2 DPD #2 I am pretty sure they test for FC and not for CC once I get the rest I have been emailing Dave and meg regarding my shipment. I ahve most been concerned with them not sending the package with " protect from freezing" on it as I am sure at some point it will be in a mail truck with no heat and we went through a -35'C couple of days and as I speak we are hovering at a balmy -26'C.

richard I do not have a ozonator, and the rates I use are a daily rate( usually 2 peopl 1/2hr) and I should mention once a week I use a quite high rate to get up over 10ppm as a shock. I wasn't really tring to hijack the thread only report that I am using bleach with no pH issues. Lastly I can't tell you any other water parameters as I ordered the tf-100 kit three weeks ago and haven't got it yet. I can report the levels once I recive it though. The one thing that still troubles me is when I test for FC I see no results in a pink (taylor dual reactant) form yet 5-10 minutes later it reads 5 ppm, this is 24 hours after adding bleach.

I haven't been on here in a while what a read! Just some more food for though on guys using bleach Anyway I tested my Ph today and I am at 7.5 I use bleach and have used bleach for 4 weeks +or-. I have a tub that only cycles for 2-2 hour sessions and I make sure the air jets are off when I leave the tub based on not bringing cold air in to the tub to save on electricity. We also have the tub setup so my wife and I are in it during a cycling time (7-9pm). I have a 0 residual as well , I usually add 4-5 oz of 5% depending on the if the kids are in as well, I add 1-2 oz before to bring it up a little (1-2ppm) then when leaving the tub add the rest this will bring me up past 5 ppm then leave the cover off and the jets on low with no air for 10 minutes give or take. I assume that any problems that are brought in the tub will be killed therfore even though the fc is low after 7-8 hours it is fine due to anything that was there should have been oxidized.So the only time the jets have air is the 20-30 minutes during use, just though I would throw that in for info as well. I should note I use a 1/8" foam water cover with another layer of open sided bubble wrap on top of it plus the tub cover, gets cold up here... must be working though as my first electric bill was $35 more than previous month and thats with a fill and heating from 51... Jason

I use one as well, I think the cover helps retain heat myself but no facts to prove it, however being I use the tub lots at night by myself I can flip up half the hard cover then just pull up a small piece by the lounge seat and relax for 1/2 hr with jets before the heater needs to cycle versus 5-10 minutes without the cover. Mine is the version closer to 1/8" and it is white and cost 40 bucks.

the fellas at the calgary dealer are looking into why the price difference I wasn't willing to wait so I ordered the TF100 being it is the same test fluids at the taylor and the bottle sizes are bigger and best of all landed to me 103 bucks...Chemgeek had stated these are the same accurate testing kits versus other where you are playing match the pink to the pink... Hilly Billy...As far as the comment about dealer service, I don't feel that being taken advantage off is treating customers well either. It would cost me over two dollars (maybe more in heavy use) a day to treat the tub the way they wanted me to, and the whole reason I found this site and chemgeek helped me out is our tub was cloudy and I had swimmers ear from using it, since switching to bleach my tub has had NO problems at all the water is crystal clear and I have spent $1.89 on a jug of bleach that lasts 3-4 weeks. Lastly my tub had very little warranty when I bought it due to the nature of the deal so warranty was not in the picture.I pour my bleach over a return jet slowly so the mixing is right away I may even add it with water to make the process less of a chance of settling out in the bottom.

The TF100 kit contents are listed in this post where you can see that the kit contents are the same as the Taylor reagents -- just larger quantities. So you can reorder the Taylor reagents locally to refill (though Dave will be disappointed -- but he'll understand since the shipping is so expensive). Of course, those refills might be pretty pricey locally. we that ends this guys chase for a kit!! thanks for the tip

DAvid I found a guy in Calgary, they where given to me by the link richard had posted. CL Marketing Inc. 2770 - 24 Avenue NE Calgary, AB T1Y 6V7 Canada Phone 1.403.250.2494 Toll Free 1.800.661.8179 Fax 1.403.250.8767 Toll Free Fax 1.800.301.7104 problem they are still 159 for the 2005 and 199 for the 2006 but I have a email in as to why the price differcen with the fairly even dollar. High but much lower than the 300+ I was getting from everyone else up here, I may go the t-100 route in the long run my only sticky point is I can get taylor refills easier here go figure just not the bigger kits, with the t100 kit I have to always get refills across the border.Or I can get rainbow kits from pentair up here for 60 bucks but they are not as accurate in the fc it is the match the colour which gives you a ball park but not much else. the biggest pain is answering everyone up here why I need a test for CYA as I use a cover they are just trained to push the 50 dollar bottles of dichlor or bromine or x product. I had a long conversation with a spa guy that said his chemicals are the cheapest bar none on the market so me being the kind of guy I am said really because after I get my tub loaded with cya and Chlorine after a fill which I am estmating costs me 7-8 bucks I am a $2 a MONTH which is a jug and some of bleach a month give or take a few pennies....I told him if he can beat that I will listen it got very quite in the room

Richard I finally found a taylor supplier in canada but anyway here is is his reply to my telling him I only use dichlor to get the CYA up the switch to bleach as to not increase the CYA to a point that the chlorine source is not as effective Jason, Generally for a spa CYA is not required. If the tub is outside with no cover on it ever.. then CYA would be required. You may be better to switch to Lithium as it is unstabilized and still a granular product. BLeach has many by-products and not a very "clean" product. he also gave me a price for the 2005 and the 2006 kit which one was better for chlorine tubs the 2006 right? and the 2005 is 50 bucks cheaper... Jason

Great post Richard as a new guy around here if I would have seen this thread it would have saved the 10+ questions I asked as I couldn't find all this in one nice article. to the admin guys here could we make this post a sticky so newbies are seeing it right away it would save alot of work for Richard & water bear answering the same questions daily, and then free them up for weird and unusal water issues... Just my opinion however it just that many sites I frequent attach high usage questions in a sticky at the top of the appropiate forum to save repetive posts. Jason

that is exactly my issue as even on the pentair site that makes the kits there is very little info, I guess I will be still looking for a taylor kit as I am a chlorine guy

I am having a hard time getting a taylor k2006 test kit up here however I can get a rainbow test kit R151716 with " Complete 11 test lab. Tests Free, Total and Combined Cl, Br, Iodine, ph, Acid Demand, Total Alkalinity, Water Hardness and Cyanuric Acid. Handy red box contains complete instructions, solutions and tests". Anyone have any experince withthis kit or one of rainbows kits? It seems to offer the same line up as the k2006 kit that chem geek recomends as far as I can see anyway... Jason

WOW I can see the jets at the bottom of the tub this afternoon, came home after work and check the chlorine and it was above 5 but not by much so I gave it 6 oz to take it up in the 12ppm mark as mentioned. My only question is now if the tub gets clean in a day and I have keep the FC at 12 ppm for the entire time +- when is it safe to use the tub?and should I be adding bleach 5 minutes before we get in based on the trouble we have had instead off after we get out for a few days