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  1. There's really no decernable difference, that is why I am having such a hard time.
  2. hmmmmm. la spas -longer warranty period artic wrap lower dry weight - I move alot filtration bags air pump 60Amps marquis multilevel seating more spacious, 125 gallons more 50 Amps both seem to receive equal accolades/pros/cons on line. virtually same price. your thoughts?
  3. I agree with everything you said in your last post, I just wanted to make sure we were talking about my post and not 'marketing' which didn't have anything to do with price modifications etc etc. I am aware of the differences in operating cost and overhead, and had taken those into consideration for the areas invoolved. "Your last paragraph is totally correct yet you continue to play the game right? I refuse to barter that way personally. I educate myself, research and then fax my description of the car and package I want explaining that I will not counter-offer. The lowest one time quote will have my business if I deem it a good value. No games, no perceived value, no "below or at invoice BS"... just value without negotiating. This is how I purchase all big ticket items. I'm not saying it can't be done differently or better, but it's how I do it." No I don't play the game, that is why I am not shopping at the places that played 'the games' I agree with your buying style. Good discussion
  4. Well the sticker truck was 45K, and I was working with 36K before trade and rebates. So I would venture to say that is one hell of a perceived value over the guy that walks in and pays the sticker. It took five dealers, but in the end, the honest guy that was willing to make a sale that day, with no games, got paid on the spot, word of mouth and the recurring service business. In the negotiations, I said, "you wont make money on this deal, so you'll have to make it up off of the other customers, but you will be able to move a truck right now, with no effort." Keep in mind Dealers are already making a killing on the trade in side of the house... The point remains, the prices should not be something that changes, or is artificially inflated from one sale to the next. Especially on the same model, in the the same store, from two reps, three different prices with a $1500 difference in range. 7895/8395/9395---Oh, and it was a Beachcomber. (I was going to leave the name out). In this country, there is no bartering for most items. the market sets the price and you pay it. You wouldn't buy your clothes or groceries, gas or utiities in this manner why should the high price items be any different? Because we allow it.
  5. I do not own a tub yet, as we are still researching our options. I have looked at the following brands to date: beachcomber, viking, dimension 1, hot springs, solaras, tiger river, Leisure Bay, three rivers. I have investigated eagle spas, haven, soothing waters, marguis, sundance and thermospa. Things I have noticed: The spa industry is like buying a car, and that ticks me off. If I can get my 45K truck 100 over invoice I sure as heck am not paying an absurd amount of money for a spa. Three different prices from two differnt people at one establishment on the same tub Prices seemed to change relative to my interest Two extreemly different prices on the same tub from two different locations I was treated like I was at a Car dealership Was told "the offer is only good for today, then it is 1000 more" Was told a price 3K!!!!! over the wholesale cost of the dealer (I could see both prices on the spreadsheet he quoted me from.) The prices for all in my area are inflated due to the high income earned by people in DC area. I know this because tubs were a dime a dozen the last place I lived for the same item. None of the brands lists a price on their website. (except one) None of the brands offered data supporting electrical usage or thermal efficiency. I am suppose to just take their word, because it is in a fancy brochure? I want a good product, not something that I will be replacing in 5-7 years, Something cheap on electric usage, sold with a fixed price, and good warranty. I do not want a seasonal price, automobile price or a homeshow price. So far I have only recieved honest advice from three companys. These three were not in the top 10% of the industry, this tells me I need to continue to be savvy and do my homework.
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