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Chas, in a previous post you said that you only need to add chlorine once per month in conjunction with ozone and N2. I thought you needed to add a sanitizer (dichlor) after or before each soak to kill the bacteria. You mentioned adding MPS after each soak but MPS is only an oxidizer.

Please tell us more about your Water Care Method. I know you have been in the business for quite some time so I would like to hear more about your method and experiences related to this topic.

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How can they tell? Whats the point of just adding chlorine just once a month?

They can tell because the water quality goes south. No longer crystal clear, foul smelling, slime. the only solution is to chlorine shock, or change water. And the filter can clog quickly too. You get the idea, I hope.

And the point of "just adding chlorine just once a month" is what a good ozone system is all about. Put a Nature2 cartridge in a spa which circulates water full time, and add MPS once a week - or after each use, you choose - and you don't need chlorine but once a month as a shock. Not cheaper, but folks do seem to like it.

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Chas, in a previous post you said that you only need to add chlorine once per month in conjunction with ozone and N2. I thought you needed to add a sanitizer (dichlor) after or before each soak to kill the bacteria. You mentioned adding MPS after each soak but MPS is only an oxidizer.

Please tell us more about your Water Care Method. I know you have been in the business for quite some time so I would like to hear more about your method and experiences related to this topic.

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How can they tell? Whats the point of just adding chlorine just once a month?

They can tell because the water quality goes south. No longer crystal clear, foul smelling, slime. the only solution is to chlorine shock, or change water. And the filter can clog quickly too. You get the idea, I hope.

And the point of "just adding chlorine just once a month" is what a good ozone system is all about. Put a Nature2 cartridge in a spa which circulates water full time, and add MPS once a week - or after each use, you choose - and you don't need chlorine but once a month as a shock. Not cheaper, but folks do seem to like it.

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I can give you some advice that I am sure Chas will mimick. You must have chlorine levels of 2-3 PPM after your soak to kill what you just introduced into the water. Depending on the size of your tub and how much crud was introduced this can be from 1-2 tsp maybe even 1 TBLS you won't know how much until you play with it after a good soak and play with the test. I use test strips for this quick chlorine check. Dichlor at 1/2 tsp per person was what worked for me. or 1 tsp minumum. This was combined with a N2 cartidge and an Ozone generator to maintain the water between soaks as long as it wasn't to long no more than a few days, then more dichlor was needed. A shock after about every 6-8 soaks was a good plan but if i soaked alone alot I stretched that to 10-12 soaks, which was sometimes a month or more. But shacked after a party. MPS or Dichlor can be used for this, I used a combination of the 2. couple TBLS of dichlor and a couple oz's MPS You must have some residual (free) chlorine in order for MPS to work good as a shock. All this relys on balanced water between 7.2 and 8.0 PH and 80-120 TA and use a re-agent test kit to test these levels.

I had film containers on the shelf that had 2 tsp of dichlor in them. When I went to soak I grabbed one and after climbing out I dumped it in and went inside to dress with the cover open and the jets on high. When I came back out I turned it to low and closed it up. This is what worked for me. Baking soda was the only other thing required for my water. 6 OZ's at start up and a couple oz's a couple times during the 4 month water cycle.

Everybodys water is different and everyones sanitation needs are different. but it is very simple to add a smal amount of dichlor after a soak.

Rinse your filter every time you shock, and keep extra filters for when you change water so you can soak and clean the other.

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Roger, thanks for the info. I'm already on a system similiar to what you suggest. I'm a huge Vermonter fan.

Chas is recommending something entirely different here. He is saying that he only adds dichlor once per month and relies on ozone and N2 for his defence. I don't believe he's keeping the chloring residual at 2-3ppm with this method.

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I can give you some advice that I am sure Chas will mimick. You must have chlorine levels of 2-3 PPM after your soak to kill what you just introduced into the water. Depending on the size of your tub and how much crud was introduced this can be from 1-2 tsp maybe even 1 TBLS you won't know how much until you play with it after a good soak and play with the test. I use test strips for this quick chlorine check. Dichlor at 1/2 tsp per person was what worked for me. or 1 tsp minumum. This was combined with a N2 cartidge and an Ozone generator to maintain the water between soaks as long as it wasn't to long no more than a few days, then more dichlor was needed. A shock after about every 6-8 soaks was a good plan but if i soaked alone alot I stretched that to 10-12 soaks, which was sometimes a month or more. But shacked after a party. MPS or Dichlor can be used for this, I used a combination of the 2. couple TBLS of dichlor and a couple oz's MPS You must have some residual (free) chlorine in order for MPS to work good as a shock. All this relys on balanced water between 7.2 and 8.0 PH and 80-120 TA and use a re-agent test kit to test these levels.

I had film containers on the shelf that had 2 tsp of dichlor in them. When I went to soak I grabbed one and after climbing out I dumped it in and went inside to dress with the cover open and the jets on high. When I came back out I turned it to low and closed it up. This is what worked for me. Baking soda was the only other thing required for my water. 6 OZ's at start up and a couple oz's a couple times during the 4 month water cycle.

Everybodys water is different and everyones sanitation needs are different. but it is very simple to add a smal amount of dichlor after a soak.

Rinse your filter every time you shock, and keep extra filters for when you change water so you can soak and clean the other.

we encourage our customers to use the same basic method, we use the frog silver cartridge, I think most people don't test so we suggest a simple teaspoon per person after soaking, The problem I think most people have is simply a lack of being consistent with their water care, One time a week if a person will test and adjust as needed for ph/alk than your sanitizer will work and shock again once a week. If your good about testing like you are Rodger than you can tweak this to be more exact, the film bottles are a great idea, but we try to get people to at least stick to this simple but effective routine as its easy and effective for most.

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Roger, thanks for the info. I'm already on a system similiar to what you suggest. I'm a huge Vermonter fan.

Chas is recommending something entirely different here. He is saying that he only adds dichlor once per month and relies on ozone and N2 for his defence. I don't believe he's keeping the chloring residual at 2-3ppm with this method.

I'm not saying you need a 2-3PPM residual. I'm saying you need to achieve that level after a soak to kill stuff. Dichlor dissapates so quickly that if you soak the next day you will be soking in 1PPM or even less, 2 days 0PPM But if everything has been killed your N2 and Ozone may keep up for a while.

Never heard of what your talking about with Chas but it could be done with MPS. I'm just not a big fan of an MPS system because it adds to TDS so quickly and drives down TA.

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Sorry for the late reply - my back is 'out' and I can't sit for more than a few minutes at a time. This is my first time in front of my computer since last Friday.

I have had great success with our spas using the Freshwater III system. That is an ozone system.

In the filter which feeds the 24 hour circ pump goes the Nature2 AG+ silver ion cartridge. This is replaced every four months, and as Roger said, the TDS tends to come up fast enough that a four-month water change interval is generally a good idea.

Chlorine shock once at start-up.

Add MPS in one of two ways:

Every time the spa is used, or

Once a week give it a larger dose - generally a couple of ounces.

Once per month shock with chlorine - or after a group exits the spa. A "group" may be two or more people in some families, three or four or more in others. And a 'shock' is defined as adding enough Dichlor that you still have a high reading at least four hours later.

You must still keep pH and TA in balance as usual.

This has worked for us for years, and for our customers as well.

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