jeff grotte

I think bottled water would be more enjoyable. if you gave people a choice they will always pick ECOsmarte water over salt water. our water you can climb out of the pool and have no need to shower. and the water tastes good' you also do not need a fresh swim suit to ware to friends houses. we will not fade a swim suit. I should also mention that our system we test PH Calcium and Copper A salt water pool will need to be treated like a chlorine pool. and in the cold months when the heat is off the salt pools will get merky where ours do not. Good luck with your pool Jeff With that eco smart thing it uses copper to sanitize and it you screw up your chemistry the copper will come out of solution and stain everything. Also in cold pool water nothing can grow so it will not get murky. The murky comes from leaving the pool covered to long in spring or closing to early in fall If you add to much copper to a pool with out chlorine you get a blue tint to the whole poole surface. if you leave it it will go back into solution. the stains that you see from copper are yellow and black or green which usually only come of with acid wash. those stains are from using chlorine in a pool ECOsmarte does not use chlorine so they do not get the yellow' black or green stains', that only when a sharp pool service tech that knows everything shocks a copper ionized pool. pools that use just a copper ionizer will always need chlorine or nonchlorine shock to oxyidize particals those pools will always stain. ECOsmarte splits the Hydrogen and Oxygen out of water to do the oxydizing and the hyrogen keeps the pool from scaling the ecosmarte oxygen is alot softer oxydizer than chlorine and as a result we do not knock the copper out of the water. If you have never tried a ecosmarte system you should before you comment on it. If you are in the swimming pool business and would like to try one i will put one on a pool of your choice. you will put a top mount sand filter with glass on the pool A TA-100 size and i will provide the glass also. then you will only email or call me on how to run the pool. if after a year of using our system then you can slam it to you heart's content the customer i would like is one with well water with rust and high calcium. some one that you have never made happy. the pool is always stained of has alot of scale always. I put my money where my mouth is can you do the same? check out my pool www.poolguy.com/mypool.htm Jeff

I think bottled water would be more enjoyable. if you gave people a choice they will always pick ECOsmarte water over salt water. our water you can climb out of the pool and have no need to shower. and the water tastes good' you also do not need a fresh swim suit to ware to friends houses. we will not fade a swim suit. I should also mention that our system we test PH Calcium and Copper A salt water pool will need to be treated like a chlorine pool. and in the cold months when the heat is off the salt pools will get merky where ours do not. Good luck with your pool Jeff

for all those that think that the salt chlorine generator is the way to go you should know that the combination of salt and chlorine is very corrosive to swimming pools. the salt will destroy natural stone and cause re bar to rust which then expands and cracks the concrete, in Minnesota the Highway department has had to use the much higher priced coated re bar to avoid the rusting. the salt will also corrode any metal around the pool. pools that are built around see water will be told to wash the pool area with fresh water often to keep the salt from hurting the pool and decking. having the salt in the pool water will have the same effect. with the automated sensores make sure that they are checked once a week with a manual test kit. the sensors need to be cleaned and calabrated and replaced about once a year. Co2 is good to use to lower ph as it only goes down to about 6.7. if you use a automated muratic acid feed, double check more frequently as the acid will go way to low if the sensor it out of calabration. On swimming pools the best way to check water clarity is to turn you pool light on at night and look for the suspended particles. DE will go down to 2 Microns. the reason i recommend the large to mount and filters with crushed glass is that the DE filter has a much higher maintains level. where the glass in a sand filter will filter as fine as DE. and you do not need to add new powder to the grids or replace torn grids like a DE filter. The up sized plumbing is a great investment! Have funn this summer.

It Must be nice to live in this world with your head in the sand. the ECOsmarte system has been around since 1994 and the technology was designed by nasa for the space program. I have used it personally on all pools I have built for the last 9 years. and installed on many other pools that I did not build. I would say over 60% of my customers are either doctors or lawyers all of which understand the dangers of high salt and what chlorine will do to your body. You should try to learn more of what you tell people not to buy, the way I found out was to install several my first year. all you have shown pool and spa owners is your ignorance on the sanitation subject.

you most likley have a leak in the liner. were you adding any water over the summer. more than the year before. I don't really have a problem in the summer. I do have to add water, but not a lot. Seems like the only time I have this major of a problem is when water builds up on the cover. I can prevent that in the summer, but less so in the winter. Again, the pump works in the winter...but the hose freezes, so I can't keep the pump on the cover to drain it in the winter. If I have a leak in the liner (here comes the dumb question again), where does the water go? Would it just be slowly draining under the foundation of the pool? Seems like its losing enough water than I could follow the path. Maybe I'm just over my head with this thing. Thank you for your help on this. the problem with using the autocovers as winter covers is what you may be seeing. the water on top of the cover is pushing the water under the cover out of the pool. skimmers are not sealed above the water line. they just use spacers to bring the lid to deck level. auto covers must be supported by water underneath them. I always sold a mesh spring type cover for winter use. that way the winter cover took all the abuse and the pool was safe as the water went through the mesh cover. in minnesota we had a couple of kids drown on top of a solid winter cover that had water on it in the spring. the water that leaks out of pools just drains into the ground. if you have sandy soil it just goes down. if it is clay with snad layers it will travel down the layers into the deep ground. the big danger with water leaking under swimming pools is that the water can settle the deck area. or float the liner if the water table is to high. Try pumping the water from on top of the cover under the cover if that solves the water level going down the the advise you first got were correct. the water ontop is pushing the pool water out. my best advise is to get a mesh cover next year, they have some with very tight weaves to keep the pool clean and still let water through.. another benefit with a mesh cover is that solid autocovers will get damaged if you ever did have a leak in the pool over the winter. mesh covers will just need some straps sewed back on. i even had a friends autocover track ripped out of the concrete deck when the pool leaked out of the pool over the winter. the entire pool deck on the two long sides had to be replaced. and a new cover put in. the friend bought a mesh cover the next fall from me. Jeff

I have had all 3 type filters. I started with a sand but in 2000 I replaced the liner, filter & cover. I was talked into a cartridge filter. I kept it for 1 yr. but it is time consuming to take it apart to clean it. If you have any algae build up it clogs the cartidge & you have to take the filter apart to get to it and hose it off.. I replaced it with a DE filter. The DE does trap the smallest particles however my problem with the DE is I use a mesh winter cover and I would get a lot of dust from the fields around me into the pool over the winter. Upon spring start up there is no way to vacuum to waste so I would have to "bump it" every day and replace the DE about twice until everything was clear. Last year I went back to sand. For me it seems like the best alternative for my situation. I can filter to waste and if the pressure goes up all you need to do is backwash it. Once everything was clear I only needed to backwash about once a month or so. By the way I use about 1 cup of DE in the sand filter and have not had any problems with maintaining a clear pool. WOW i see you really had experience with all three. I like the idea of adding a cup of DE in your sand filter. If the effort and time was not a concern which filter would you go with? did you notice a difference in water quality or clarity of the water with each of the different filters? thanks for taking the time to respond. for your filter use a large top mount sand filter with crushed glass in it a pentair TA100d has a two inch backwash valve. the crushed class will filter as fine as de and be as easy as a sand filter to backwash. the glass will not absorbe anything and backwashes clean I have used it for 3 years on many pools for pumps i would use the http://www.pentairpool.com/products/products3.php?id=77 pump it is fully adjustable flow and cost very little to operate take avery close look at it the pump that i have sold can pay for them selfs in a couple of years. for sanaitizing the water look at www.ecosmarte.com the water will taste like bottled water

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you most likley have a leak in the liner. were you adding any water over the summer. more than the year before.

If you live in Canada it is illegal to say your product replaces bromine or chlorine, it can only assist it.You must use chloine or bromine. Salt water pools and chlorine are the same thing. Salt is sodium cloride Funny thing about Canada Government Health Program and they premote only Chlorine They must never heard about world war II and the use of Chlorine. the interesting fact that i have learned thru the grape vine is that since ECOsmarte has been baned from selling thier pool syetem in Canada thier sales have increased many many times. Note Canadians drive accross the border to get product The interesting law they have is that the poolguy must tell the home owner they must use chlorine but thier is no law to force the consumer to us chlorine. Kind of unfair for the Canadian poolguy. Some day someone up thier will get some guts and sue the canadian government for endangering the Citizens of thier wonderfull land..

did anybody look at the fist response about the Crushed Glass in a sand filter. That was on topic, and will out preform a DE filter in ease of use and cost to operate. The problems with Zeolites is that they are a natural Mineral and every different source preforms differently, the biggest problem being that it is a very dusty product and most installers will not back wash after ever bag installed in the filter, second problem is that different sources dissolve in water and third is that it is porous and algea finds a home in the pores The glass in a sand filter will install with out backwashing before use and it can go for many weeks before backwashing, and the it comes clean very quickley The neat thing about glass is that it will filter Iron better than DE.

agreed, especially in a gunite (plaster,cement, what have you) you will be adding a lot of acid to keep it that low. It's not so much work in keeping that level that concerns me, it's the fact that it's pretty low. I know it's nuetral, but your heater manufacturer might have something to say about that. No heate company will warranty a heate exchanger that has a hole in it from low ph. Not saying that it will happen for certain, but when keeping traditonal levels of ph (7.2-76 like we have been doing since forever) there is more room forever, if it dips down a bit it's still above 7. mainting 7.0 leaves no room for error. bear in mind that most pool heaters have heat exchangers with multiple "passes" which is a fancy of saying that the tubes get small and the water speeds up. this can "scour" the heat exchanger and wear a hole in it with low ph. most heat exchangers are actually designed to do this a little to prevent scaling or build up in the tubes. just saying "be careful" Incidentally, Ecosmarte came in and did a presentation for us and they seemed very knowledgeable and the product shows promise. Does any body Know why the ph is pool and spa water is to be kept at 7.2 to 7.6 The simple answer is that that is where chlorine is effective, allways has been and always will be. Calcium is your buffer with ECOsmarte and with ECOsmarte the Calcium is Kept Bicarbinate, which means it stays desolved when kept below 140 degrees F. The higher the calcium level the more conductive the water is and the more Oxygen per minuite you will get. the calcium on a spa is added when the water is changed every 6 month and the copper is only added at start up with fresh water. then all you do is check the ph and keep it as close to 6.8 as you can. with a standard test kit only add Muratic acid if over 6.8 or the sample is orange or red. never add acid if it is yellow. If it stays yellow for a couple of weeks add small amounts of baking soda to to bring to just about orange then add a small amout of acid to get yellow, then only add small amouts of acid. to give you an idea 1 gallon of acid may last a couple of years at a cost of less than $4.00 the water will get trained to run at 6.8 Cloudy water after spaing means you need more oxygen. two ways to handle it 1 add a non chlorine shock 2 run the oxygen longer and make sure the calcium is over 400 (yes even 800 is fine) The true benefit of ECOsmarte is sitting in a hot tub and not breathing any chemicals. Jeff Grotte

I haven't been able to find any independent info on the EcoSmarte product. It looks great in the marketing materials from the company and dealers, but is there any non-dealer out there who is using it on their pool? I'd love to hear about it because we will be having our pool done in about 3 weeks and I like the idea, just not sure it's legit enough vs. the tried and true chlorine (salt generated). I read some pretty nasty stuff about EcoSmarte at http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff155840.htm, so I'm not too sure what to think at this point... Phil Hi Phil How did your pool install go. My Background is 37 years in the pool bussiness started at 13 worked service, installation of stainless steel concrete pools then vinyl pools next as a Distributor of swimming pool Items, next my own pool company www.poolguy.com and now I am the trainer at ECOsmarte planet friendly Inc. Since my last posting we have sold at least 5000 more pool systems world wide and we came up with a replacement for ZEOlite in sand filters, now we have Crushed glass that is much easer for the pool industry to copy us, which they always do. You can keep track of our dealer base at www.ecosmarte.com it grows almost every day. the reason you may not heard much about us from local pool company is that most of our dealers start after thier customers have have not been in for chemicals on a regular bases and the dealer will find that we will slowly erode thier customer base. The sharper Dealer will understand that not everybody wants chlorine/salt. for those pool people that still sell salt. wake up salt is just another name for chlorine. Thier is a better way

Nice Hole A Ta 100 with Glass to replace the DE filter and ecosmarte system for sanitation will give you the best water. Jeff@poolguy.com

It Is Just what the pool Builder told you. The walls are Fiberglass and the rest Concrete. Have you Lookecd at any of the pools they have built like this? the fiberglass walls are designed to take the flex of the freezing and heaving Jeff@poolguy.com

switch to glass media from ecosmarte planet friendly inc. 1-800-ION SWIM the glass will filter as good as de and you will note need to always add de and you can use the same filter tank if it is the right size for the pool this media is on the industry leading edge.