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  1. Dumpster dive your dealer for a week or so, you'll find out.
  2. I can answer my own question now. Eclipse make the CD Ozonators for Sundance, and it looks like Del ozone makes Eclipse. I could be wrong, but they look exactly the same. Sundance p/n 6473-126 is available for $138.50. (www.spaandpoolsource.com) (I can't find the part my dealer wanted to sell me 6473-125.) Any of you Sundance dealers have any info on that p/n? What's the difference?
  3. What company makes these for Sundance? My dealer wanted $250 for one. Seems high. I noticed Del Ozone Platinum on e-bay for $171 delivered. Installation looks pretty easy, I think I can handle that myself.
  4. Hey Spa Searcher - What's your price point? Last month I narrowed my search down to Sundance or Caldera. I found that for $5600 I could buy a Sundance Bahia and be happy with it, so I did. I also tested Caldera Geneva Utopia ($8500) and Hawaiian Paradise ($7200). You asked for specifics so here it is: - Geneva lounger is deep. People shorter than about 5'5" will need a snorkle (my wife) or a water pillow - Hawaiian is great, but not $1700 greater thean the Bahia - The low end Caldera tubs (whatever they call them) have a 2 year waranty but the Sundance Bahia has 5 Caldera makes a tub that is about the same as a Bahia, but given the warranty and 2 extra jets we went for the Sundance. If money was not a factor I would have bought the Caldera Geneva Utopia. Engineering and build quality is better than Sundance and Hot Springs. (moto-massage is weird old technology). My wife would just have to sit on my lap. Just my opinion.
  5. Kahuna - I read my post and the part about the gfci may be a bit confusing. My main panel is in my garage, and that's where I put the gfci, same as you. I feel much better with it there rather than outside. -One more thing on the electrical; you may as well put in a 110 gfci at the same time and pull the wire with your 220. It's just a little bit more labor and you'll be able to add some outdoor recepticles whever you want. I used mine for the low voltage lighting transformer and it's also perfect for the Christmas lights I'm running around the deck rail! I put in a 20amp 110v gfci rather than a 15amp. -We're using the Sundance version of the Nature 2 system. I can't tell if it's doing anythnig or not. -I got a quote from our Sundance dealer to add the Sundance ozonator for $250 total cost. I'm leaning towards doing it myself with the Del ozone Platinum $155. (Check e-bay and you'll find it.) I need to get the cover off and see what it looks like first. Also, need to check to see if that voids my warranty. Hey By the Way - Merry Christmas all. I'll be hitting the hot tub after the santa duties are complete on Christmas Eve, hope it snows.
  6. About a month ago we bought a Sundance Bahia, based on preference and what some you had to say about the brand, options and so forth. Here's some feedback for people shopping for a hot tub. What we like about the 2005 Sundance Bahia: -Good size and shape for a family, not too small -Easy to move from one seat to the next -Seems to be of good quality, no issues with performance -Price $5600, good bang for the buck What we'll get on our next tub: -1 pump is 2 speed, the other only has 1 (high) speed. I'd rather both pumps were 2 speed. -No air pump. It would be nice to have just air at times without water pumps being on. -I'm adding an ozonator to this tub, can't hurt. -Lighted keys on the controller. It's hard to see where the buttons are at night. -Deeper. I'm 6'1" and only 1 seat is really deep enough to sit with water up to my neck. (selfish request) Other observations Electrical connection - Opted for GFI in the main panel and disconnect outside, rather than a "Hot tub" disconnect. The HT disconnect has a GFI breaker and the disconnect swith in one unit. It's in a nema 3r rainproof box, which is fine if it is somewhat protected. Blowing rain can penetrate the box and cause nuisannce tripping. My cost was $1k for the hook up, more than I expected. The other option is cheaper. Home Depot sells a 50amp hot tub disconnect but not the 60amp (in my area). Buy it yourself if you can. Get a quote for the electrical work first. Chlorine and Bromine (dichlor) are working pretty good. I got in the second week with the water a little cloudy. Don't do that!!! I got a rash. Chemicals are your friend. No problems since. Dichlor after every use (1 Tbsp) and Chlorine every 2 days (2 Tbsp) seems to be maintaining the levels correctly. I also shock with Clorine every week (6 Tbsp). I try to do this late at night so it can sit for at least a day. I think is different for every tub so you'll have to find your own pattern. We added SpaZaz. Don't do that. The smell lasts for about 1 day and the tub gets foamy. It does soften the water though, which was nice. You can get the foam out with your hands and that seems to help. Hope it isn't messing up my deck. Hope this helps somebody.
  7. You might not want to sit in the middle of a bacteria war. MHO. Chlorine is your friend, just use the right ammount.
  8. I'm taking delivery of a Sundance Bahia tomorrow and the dealer recommended the Sundance version of the Nature 2 system. It's a mineral system that fits into the "brominator" on Sundance spas, rather than in the center of the filter. This is because of the way the filter fits in the Sundance. Lasts 4 months. Has anyone used this and have comments? Of course, chlorine is also used with this system, just like the Nature 2 system.
  9. Grannie - I think spa-freak is correct in that strategy. If you can't find another Sundance dealer just tell them you're considering a Watkins product and you have a few choices in that same price range that you'd be satisfied with, Caldera Olympia, or Tiger River ?model. Worked for me (Bahia $5600). BTW - I get the Bahia tomorrow, psyched!
  10. Sundance Bahia - $5600 including steps, lifter, cover, chemicals, delivery and setup. In stock, delivery this week. Other quotes considered: Caledra Geneva Utopia $8500, steps, cover, lifter, chemicals, deliv and setup Sundance Cameo - $8000, steps, cover, lifter, chemicals, deliv and set up Also considered the Caldera Olympia at about the same cost as the Bahia, but it only has a 2 year warranty. Very similar models. We asked if we could buy additional warranty on that tub and the dealer said no. Sundance has a 5 year parts and labor non-prorated even on their low end (700 series) spas, like the Bahia. That was important to us. AND now for something completly different ... - SPA QUOTES - AT THE TOP OF THE FORUM There's a post at the top of the forum about getting Spa quotes. It doesn't work. I got a reply (which I posted there and it was deleted) from the publisher explaining that they weren't gettnig any responses from the dealers, so they stopped offernig the service. If you submitt a quote request you will receive an e-mail referring you to your local dealer, depending on whatever brand you asked for. You won't get a quote. Again, my posts were deleted at the top, so I'm putting it here. Good luck consumers, thanks to the sales"people" who offered some insight. Over and out. I needed a Spa
  11. Sounds like "no fault warranty" isn't in the Gulf Coast vocabulary. If I were considering the purchase of a Spa whos manufacturer did not include a "no fault" product, I'd have to ask exactly what the parameters on wtaer hardness, PH, and so forth are in order to avoid damage. I wonder if the product specs sheet or user manual defines the acceptable range for measurable water quality attributes, i.e. PH or water hardness? Anyway, no Gulf Coast for me. I'd rather pay now than later.
  12. Frank - It's interesting you mention Gulf Coast. I called on an ad in the local paper this weekend posted by what seemed to be a lady who had bought a tub, but was relocated and wanted to sell it. The ad said she paid $8900 but would take $3900 because she had to sell. It turned out that "Karen" was selling Gulf Coast spas, and there was a ton of background noise when I called (chatter) so I doubt she was in her kitchen. I "googled" the ad and found the excat same text that ran in a Raleigh and Charlotte, NC Newspaper. The local phone number she posted in the ad was an answering maching that gave another phone number to call. Anyway, the whole thing smells like fish.
  13. I haven't seen any discussion about this brand, Bullfrog Spas. Does anyone have any comments about the Bullfrog model 682? We're leaning toward the Caldera Hawaiian, Paradise series. The Bullfrog is bigger and cheaper. The wet test will be the decision maker.
  14. thanks Guzz for the straight answer. Stallion - No I didn't post here a year ago, not the same person. I don't expect Hot Springs to change their design, but the salesman mentioned jets can be customized or configured differently. I forgot to ask if that applied to the moto-massage, so I though one of the HS guys could give me a quick answer. I'm buying something this week, I can't imagine a buyer lurking in here for a year, that's weird.
  15. All you HS Peeps, Can I get a HS Spa without the Moto-Massage? I'd prefer a regular stationary jet instead. Please don't get hung on the phrase "regular jet". I know there are several different ones in a HS spa. They turn and pulse and whatever. I just don't want the Moto-massage.
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