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Here's what our spa dealer prescribed for our Hotsprings Envoy spa with Ozone; Nature2 MPS 2Tbs once every day dichlor 2Tbs once per week We average two people every other day for about an hour in the spa Our water is balanced, clear, but has an odor Using a test strip mps is always high I bought a Taylor K2006 kit and a K-2042 deox reagent kit Thinking that we were putting to much mps in the spa, I suspended adding anything for ~4 days... Test strips now indicate low mps The Taylor tests using the deox reagent indicate the following; FC = .4ppm CC = 7.4ppm MPS= -2.4ppm I think I understand the readings...FC and MPS are low (because I stopped adding to the water) CC is where the odor is coming from...so, I've read enough to be dangerous...the breakpoint chlorination need is (7.4ppmCC * 10) 74ppm needed The dichlor we use has available chlorine of 28%, so using a formula(see below) I took from my Taylor booklet I need to add 13.875oz of dichlor to get rid of the CC...? Treatment Table Strength / Label Strength x Table Treatment Value = Adjusted Treatment Value Treatment value is based on the table in the Taylor booklet, @ 35% available chlorine it takes .15oz to raise 1ppm chlorine 74 x .15 is 11.1oz @ the 35% strength 35 / 28 * 11.1 = 13.875oz that's 1.7 cups of 28% dichlor? Did I do this right, sure seems like a lot to add? Thank you

Ahhh...what tests can I trust from the K-2006, since we are using this "low chlorine recipe"? Is it just the CC reading that will be effected? Are the FC, PH, Alk, and hardness tests uneffected? We're not wanting to jump ship with the process we are currently using, we're just trying to wrap our heads around taking care of the water with this system. And about the money...where are we on the expense chart??...is this the most expensive water care method? Thanks for your help

We have a new 450gal Hotspring Envoy spa. We've been using and trying to learn the chemicals for a couple of months now... INFO - The spa is outfitted with a "FreshWater III" ozone system - We are using the "FreshWater- Nature2, Continuous Silver Ion Sanitizer" - All Spa Chemicals are "Caribbean Spa" brand, packaged by Haviland Consumer Products, Inc. Here are details of what info our local dealer has provided us and what they have told us to do to manage our water. After initial water filling we took a sample to the dealer, they told (sold) us what and how much to add. After 24hrs, we took another sample in for testing, and were told what and how much to add for some minor adjustments. We were told to bring in a sample weekly so that we could be sure the water is properly maintained. They gave us a bottle of test strips that test for MPS, PH, and Alkalinity, for home testing between store visits. Each trip to out dealer is an out of the way 50 mile round trip...so we bought a Taylor K-2006 kit. We were instructed to do the following chemical schedule: - 2Tbs of "Caribbean Spa, Chlorine Free Shock" daily, label only mentions that it contains MPS, AND only to add 3Tbs per week?! - 2Tbs of "Caribbean Spa, Shock Plus" once per week, label says: Sodium Dichloro-S-Triazinetrione...45% Other ingredients..................55% Available chlorine.................28% Label instructs to add 1/2 ounce per 300gal after each spa use and once a week at 1 ounce per 300gal Along with the above, there are a whole family of Caribbean branded products named and used to: SpaPrep10 - Raise alkalinity and stabilize ph, ingredients not listed on package SpaPrep20 - Increase ph, ingredients not listed on package SpaPrep25 - Decrease ph, ingredients not listed on package SpaPrep30 - Raises total hardness, calcium chloride dihydrate My FC has been reading between 7 and 8ppm, with CC at around .6ppm...this concerns me because we're only adding chlorine once a week? I seem to be able to maintain (or at least favorably effect) the other levels as detailed in the manual that came with the Taylor K-2006 Water is clear, with a slight smell of chlorine...or chloramines...this hasn't been to bad, but at some point I'll have to take a stab at "super chlorinating" By the way, I have tested my water and immediately taken a sample to the dealer (1/2 hr later)...not even close to the same readings...glad I got the test kit. I guess what I'm looking for is a nod that this seems like an acceptable approach to spa water maintenance? Comments welcome. Comments on this line of chemicals? What are the most likely ingredients in their line of bottled chemicals that have no ingredient notes? Thanks for reading

I was back over to the Hotspring dealer and tried to haggle with them they aren't budging on price for the 2010 Envoy. They claim that they have to pay for the Cover & Breaker box also. They also have at another location that we haven't seen yet a 2009 Envoy "display" model that has been shown since last fall. They are offering $9,399 (before tax) for the 2009 Envoy spa itself. Which is kind of puzzling, considering the 2010 is offered at $10,399(before tax), so they are only taking off $1,000 for what I would consider slightly used & last years model. Do you know what 2009's went for to begin with and what should I be paying for one that has been on display with who knows how many people wet testing in it? They said I would get the full warranty on it. They also mentioned that the upright lifter breaks easily and they seem to want to push the lift-n-glide for some reason, but I've seen more than one person online, including yourself saying not to get the lift-n-glide. He also was telling me that the control panel to operate the 2009 is on the side and there is a slight difference in the lights compared to the 2010. Do you know what was changed for 2010? I found a 2009 Envoy manual online and it is showing the same type of display panel & it's on the top just like the 2010. The 2010 models have a more menu driven control that some people find harder to navigate then the older one on the side. The only real differences are the lights. More lights then the 2009. They did change the spas during 2009 and called them Phase II. The uprite breaks easily because customers don't close them correctly. The Cradle II needs 24" behind the spa and is an easier lifter to operate. I've been doing this a long time and the lift-n-glide sucks. It installs in a very weird way. I'm sure that technically they do pay for the cover and sub-panel but I've never seen a spa delivered to my dealer without them, even though we had them in stock. I would shop around to other dealers and see what prices you get - you may have to make some phone calls. Then take that info to your dealer. In this economy I can't believe they won't budge. They should have a lot of room to move on that price. The dealer had coupons to print online to get free delivery and to either get the cheapest steps for free or $80 towards other steps, so I would pay $40 difference for the storage steps and $287.77 for the Uprite lift system + the spa, it also included chemical's with a credit of $79.99, cover with a credit of $499, delivery with a credit of $250 & breaker box with a credit of $282.77. Bottom line is with those prices & credits plus the spa they are saying $10,726.77(before tax) for the 2010 Envoy and $9,726.77(before tax) for the 2009 Envoy. What do you think would be a fair price for both years? I realize that dealers have to make something, but I don't want to get ripped off either. They said the $500 coupon that we received from HS wasn't for the Envoy, it was for the Grandee and something else.

I was back over to the Hotspring dealer and tried to haggle with them they aren't budging on price for the 2010 Envoy. They claim that they have to pay for the Cover & Breaker box also. They also have at another location that we haven't seen yet a 2009 Envoy "display" model that has been shown since last fall. They are offering $9,399 (before tax) for the 2009 Envoy spa itself. Which is kind of puzzling, considering the 2010 is offered at $10,399(before tax), so they are only taking off $1,000 for what I would consider slightly used & last years model. Do you know what 2009's went for to begin with and what should I be paying for one that has been on display with who knows how many people wet testing in it? They said I would get the full warranty on it. They also mentioned that the upright lifter breaks easily and they seem to want to push the lift-n-glide for some reason, but I've seen more than one person online, including yourself saying not to get the lift-n-glide. He also was telling me that the control panel to operate the 2009 is on the side and there is a slight difference in the lights compared to the 2010. Do you know what was changed for 2010? I found a 2009 Envoy manual online and it is showing the same type of display panel & it's on the top just like the 2010.

I have a quote on a 2010 Hotspring Envoy Spa in PA. Quote is for Resin steps, Lift & glide cover system, Chemicals to get started, Delivery, Cover, Breaker box, & Envoy spa, they want $10,588.99 before taxes. How does this compare with other prices, should I pull the trigger? What about the $500 coupon that I just got in an email through Hotsprings, is this legit?